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job is often a Young Person's first

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taste of Independence and one entry

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point into adult responsibilities

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it can be more fun if it's a job worked

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alongside a friend

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someone to talk to joke with and share

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the time and responsibilities with in a

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way that makes the hours go by just a

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in 1993 Sean Campbell and Brian Benson

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were two such co-workers

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they were both 20 years old

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and both are part-time clerks at West

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Coast video a video rental store located

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in the rosemore shopping center in

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Warminster Pennsylvania no one thinks

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that a part-time job worked with a

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friend will end in tragedy but for Sean

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and Brian it did

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both young men were brutally murdered

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the evening of November 10 1993

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just as they were closing at the video

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store for the night

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almost 30 years later there have been no

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answers to who murdered these two bright

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promising young men

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Brian G Benson was born in April 1973 to

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Janice and Gary Benson

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he was the middle child of three boys

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and was an easy-going Peacemaker between

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as a girl to young man and attained more

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his mother said that Brian didn't stay

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out late without calling home to let her

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he was an independent-minded person who

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quote marched to his own drum unquote

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having interested in music Sports art

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Brian enjoyed decorating his bedroom

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with posters from his favorite movies

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favorite bands or just funny images that

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made you laugh

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including a poster of the infamous

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Sean J Campbell was born on January 29th

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his birth was followed eight years later

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by Sister Lane

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at some point his mother Bonnie married

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great young girls who will become Sean's

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stepfather

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Greg seems to have had a close and

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caring relationship with his stepson

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having helped Sean build his own bedroom

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like many young people Sean was someone

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who had an interest in multiple topics

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solid grasp on what field he planned to

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go into as a lifelong career

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architectural engineering was an

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but so was law enforcement

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our topic according to body younger's

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unquote

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backgrounds and both still lived with

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both of them end up working for their

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local West Coast video which at the time

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was a video rental store franchise that

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Shawna worked part-time at the West

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a hard worker he also held down a

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full-time job at Sylvan pools

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Brian also worked part-time at the video

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store but was a recent hire compared to

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the Fateful night of November 10 1993

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Brian arrived around 5 PM for what he

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his gender to tell him that he wasn't on

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leaving the gold stud with its fake

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despite Sean and Brian's Fight For Life

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their attacker or attackers left them to

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following morning by their manager who

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epicenter of the violence struggled to

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find answers answers that proved elusive

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the wire to the security camera had been

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cut but the camera wouldn't have been on

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avoiding a community in a family in the

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heart of each person who knew and

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of two bright kind promising young men

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who seem to have had only potential and

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community we remember

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the families would cope with a very

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personal loss that would never fully

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heal or go away

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instead the loss was a never-ending

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cycle each anniversary occurring with

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not even the prospect of justice for the

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there there is no closure I hate that

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word you don't close your son getting

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he said quote this case is personal for

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Brian's Killers today as we were 20

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I really believe we'll solve this

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if you have any information about the

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murders of Sean Campbell and Brian

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Benson contact the Warminster Police

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at 2 1 5.

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thank you for listening to this video

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again if you have any information about

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this case please contact the number

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greetings and salutations friends and

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welcome back today we will begin a new

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that we are titling getting away with

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murder

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unsolved murders that take place across

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the United States and honestly across

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this case in particular

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I chose to begin with because it

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less than a mile from my home

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what can I tell you about where I live

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a suburb away from the hustle and bustle

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of Philadelphia

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the land of golf courses and good living

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how then can a tragedy like this happen

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both men lost that battle

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that the case would be solved

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I do want to mention someone asked who

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the narrator's voice was and the peace

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we began our broadcast with

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it belongs to a YouTuber and a

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description in the description of the

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video is a link to that video

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I found that while researching this case

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it was excellent work we've included it

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here in the spirit of fair use please do

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support good content creators

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this person told the story

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much better than I could have in some

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ways so we've included it here

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I mentioned that this

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case happened probably about one mile

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from my house in a shopping center I

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frequent

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and visit

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almost every week

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sort of your typical Suburban strip mall

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with a pizza place

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bookstore a supermarket

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some interesting points to note about

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this case is that

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for almost 30 years now

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there has been an incredible amount of

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Hope

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that the case

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the cold would still be solved

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through the Miracles of DNA

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every news report

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every newspaper article every local

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television report on this case all

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mention this earring this earring is an

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incredibly important part of this story

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as we will show you tonight

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for 30 years almost

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for decades

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local

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neighbors police and the district

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attorney believed that the case was

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solvable because of this earring

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which was said to contain both Blood and

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Tissue

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and you if you research this case will

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find almost every

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one who writes about this case or does

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this story talks about that earring

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being ripped

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how incredibly tantalizing

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to know that you

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if you're the police or authorities

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literally may have a peace

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of the attacker

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in your possession

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and as I begun to dig into this case I

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wondered how could there have not been a

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match for decades all of this time was

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there a match

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what steps were the Warminster Police

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Department and the Warminster district

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we've all heard about the incredible new

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science being used to solve cold cases

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[Music]

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people call it different things I would

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call it genealogical DNA matching

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in the very famous most famous case of

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this method working

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the Golden State killer a man who had

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gone who had gotten away with murder for

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decades was finally caught

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some may be unfamiliar with how that

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happened or what this method is

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what happens

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in some cases and happened in the Golden

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State killer case is that they submitted

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DNA

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from murder victims who had been raped

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and murdered they had DNA from many

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different cases in the Golden State

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killer case

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so

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they used genealogical databases

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they submit the sample

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and they may not get the perpetrator

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but according to statistics in 90 plus

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percent of the time they will get a

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close familial match what does that mean

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that means you may not get the

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perpetrator of the crime through this

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method but you will get

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a brother

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a mother

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a cousin

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and in the case of the Golden State

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killer they did get a familial match a

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match to a family member who had

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submitted their DNA to this database

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so

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investigators

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did a full genealogical study of the

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familial match in the Golden State

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killer case

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they were able to find a family member

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and then

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study

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that person's family tree to find a

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suspect that fit their criteria

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who would be around the same age who

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lived in the area of the killings at the

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time

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and Incredibly

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the case was solved with this method

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upon hearing and reading so many

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articles mentioning that this specific

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case had

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great DNA evidence in the form of Blood

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and Tissue

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skin and blood

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surely I thought the authorities could

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get a DNA match

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started digging into the case and was

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instantly stopped in my tracks

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and we'll get into that

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uh I began

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our investigation by reaching out to

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the Warminster district attorney who I

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I'm going to read you a

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and show you one article which also

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mentions this DNA evidence

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again this is fair use we are educating

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the public

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uh and this is from medium.com an

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article by Nicole Henley the unsolved

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West Coast Video store murders

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two co-workers best friends were

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murdered in a Cold Case only one clue

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not a single answer most cold cases have

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at least a slim chance of being solved

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due to having a source of DNA difference

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to match

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or the murder weapon weapon found

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however the possibilities for a

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particular Cold Case to get solved get

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that much harder when there is no known

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motive no Persons of Interest or

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00:22:10,789 --> 00:22:09,419
suspects named or murder weapon

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discovered

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what if the only key to closing the case

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was a tiny piece of DNA evidence of

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which a match has yet to be established

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remember this earring in this case is

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incredibly important and we'll see more

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00:22:28,250 --> 00:22:26,400
about why

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that's the current reality for one

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particular cold case involving the

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double murders of two best friends and

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co-workers in 1993 at their place of

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work a video store

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this case the West Coast Video store

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murders hopefully will one day get the

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closure it deserves

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Sean Campbell and Brian Benson were best

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friends who grew up together in

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Warminster Pennsylvania in 1993 both

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were 20 years old and worked part-time

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at their local West Coast Video Store in

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the rosemore shopping center on County

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Line Road that is the shopping center I

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mentioned friends that is so close to my

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home

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however both men would meet an

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00:23:11,690 --> 00:23:08,600
unfortunate abrupt end one fateful night

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that to this day no one knows who is

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responsible for or why it happened at

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all neither Sean or Brian had kept any

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secrets from their loved ones both of

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them attended the same high school and

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shared mutual friends each lived with

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their respective parents within walking

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distance from the video store at the

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time of their murders Brian was attended

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attending Bucks County Community College

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in addition to his part-time job at the

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video store and Sean also worked

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full-time at sylvan's pools in Abington

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moreover Sean had been working for the

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video store for up to six years by that

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point while Brian sadly had only begun

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working there six months earlier

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a fateful night within their last few

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hours Sean and Brian tended to several

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customers including Brian's father Gary

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who had stopped by the store around 9 00

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pm to pick up some movies by his account

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nothing appeared out of the ordinary and

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there was no reason for him to stay

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longer than he did according to his wife

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on the night of November 10 1993 both

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Sean and Brian were in the process of

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closing up the store for their nut for

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the night

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shortly before 10 pm both entered the

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adult x-rated room where they both got

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fatally stabbed with long bladed knives

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into their necks backs of chests

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since both Sean and Brian were at least

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six feet tall and physically fit

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investigators firmly believe that there

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was more than one assailant

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with the notion that there had been

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two

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despite being stabbed repeatedly both

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00:24:46,610 --> 00:24:44,580
put up a good fight as evidenced by

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defensive wounds on each of their

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forearms during the autopsies

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though the motive was initials initially

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00:24:55,669 --> 00:24:53,880
suggested to be robbery the fact that

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the assailant or assailants took only

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three hundred dollars

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not including any cash in the register

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or either of the victim's wallets has

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cast out on this

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moreover police suggested that either

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the assailants hid in the adult x-rated

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room of the store before attacking them

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or that both men were lured there by

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some form of force it is unclear which

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one of these two scenarios did occur

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unfortunately no one discovered their

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bodies until the owner of the store did

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the next morning which by then was too

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late

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police at the scene found either any

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signs of fourth Century or a murder

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weapon additionally they discovered that

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the front door had been left both

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unlocked and ajar

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furthermore detectives discovered and

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here's the important part that someone

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had cut the wire to security camera

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aimed at the cash register I think

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that's an important clue

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even more frustratingly investigators

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00:25:58,549 --> 00:25:57,059
quickly determined that cutting the cord

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of the security camera would have made

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little difference at all since the

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security camera was not working at the

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time

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security cameras did not activate until

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the store was locked

541
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and then we move on to the investigation

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though the police concluded that two

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00:26:17,930 --> 00:26:15,779
assailants responsible tried to identify

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them proved challenging interestingly

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the one clue they did find was a gold

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half inch here is the most important

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part

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the important clue that they found was a

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gold half inch fake diamond stud earring

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which they found on the floor between

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the bodies this earring was found on the

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floor between the bodies

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00:26:42,529 --> 00:26:39,539
and this article like many state

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information from the police that says it

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had been ripped off during the ensuing

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fight between one of the boys and their

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assailants

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subsequently DNA was collected from the

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earring in the form of tissue and blood

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00:26:58,610 --> 00:26:56,220
however despite the DNA obtained from

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00:27:00,890 --> 00:26:58,620
the stud any matches from it have yet to

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00:27:03,710 --> 00:27:00,900
be found

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00:27:06,230 --> 00:27:03,720
yeah and there was the jailhouse snitch

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00:27:09,169 --> 00:27:06,240
which lied and said that he knew who the

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00:27:12,409 --> 00:27:10,070
um

566
00:27:14,990 --> 00:27:12,419
and you know the case just gets sadder

567
00:27:17,330 --> 00:27:15,000
it becomes a Cold Case never did they

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00:27:20,510 --> 00:27:17,340
get apparently never did they get a

569
00:27:23,269 --> 00:27:20,520
match to the DNA but we will hear more

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00:27:26,750 --> 00:27:23,279
about the DNA and this very important

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00:27:28,490 --> 00:27:26,760
evidence this earring that for years all

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00:27:31,370 --> 00:27:28,500
news reports that covered this story

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00:27:34,490 --> 00:27:31,380
said was ripped from the assailant and

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00:27:40,010 --> 00:27:34,500
found between the two discovered bodies

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00:27:43,909 --> 00:27:41,810
the sad part is of course they're

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00:27:45,169 --> 00:27:43,919
surviving relatives they are no longer

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00:27:46,850 --> 00:27:45,179
confident that the murders are the

578
00:27:49,250 --> 00:27:46,860
respected loved ones will ever get

579
00:27:51,289 --> 00:27:49,260
solved and at least somewhat made peace

580
00:27:54,710 --> 00:27:51,299
with that despite that both families

581
00:27:56,750 --> 00:27:54,720
still deserve some or at least some

582
00:27:59,210 --> 00:27:56,760
answers hopefully Sean and Brian both

583
00:28:01,250 --> 00:27:59,220
get Justice one day soon

584
00:28:03,130 --> 00:28:01,260
if anyone out there knows even the

585
00:28:05,390 --> 00:28:03,140
tiniest seemingly

586
00:28:07,549 --> 00:28:05,400
insignificant clue to who killed Sean

587
00:28:09,169 --> 00:28:07,559
and Brian and why please contact the

588
00:28:15,310 --> 00:28:09,179
number below and that would be the

589
00:28:20,750 --> 00:28:16,930
443-5000

590
00:28:24,529 --> 00:28:20,760
now I have repeatedly mentioned this

591
00:28:26,090 --> 00:28:24,539
earring as being so important

592
00:28:31,370 --> 00:28:26,100
why

593
00:28:34,909 --> 00:28:31,380
well I was so uh interested in this case

594
00:28:37,669 --> 00:28:34,919
because they have DNA evidence they've

595
00:28:40,850 --> 00:28:37,679
got blood they've got tissue

596
00:28:45,049 --> 00:28:40,860
certainly they should be able to use

597
00:28:48,409 --> 00:28:45,059
this new method genealogical familial

598
00:28:50,210 --> 00:28:48,419
DNA matching with a database and by the

599
00:28:52,850 --> 00:28:50,220
way

600
00:28:56,149 --> 00:28:52,860
um that was has proven effective in many

601
00:28:59,330 --> 00:28:56,159
many different cold cases so far

602
00:29:00,409 --> 00:28:59,340
most famously the Golden State killer

603
00:29:05,810 --> 00:29:00,419
case

604
00:29:08,330 --> 00:29:05,820
involved with thought it's never going

605
00:29:08,990 --> 00:29:08,340
to be solved

606
00:29:11,570 --> 00:29:09,000
um

607
00:29:13,130 --> 00:29:11,580
for years they were unable to get a

608
00:29:16,250 --> 00:29:13,140
match now for those unaware there's

609
00:29:17,570 --> 00:29:16,260
something called CODIS which is a DNA

610
00:29:21,350 --> 00:29:17,580
database

611
00:29:23,690 --> 00:29:21,360
and many states in the United States

612
00:29:26,630 --> 00:29:23,700
when someone is convicted of a felony

613
00:29:30,409 --> 00:29:26,640
crime they will swab them and they will

614
00:29:31,549 --> 00:29:30,419
submit their DNA to the CODIS database

615
00:29:33,529 --> 00:29:31,559
so

616
00:29:35,510 --> 00:29:33,539
now I have to make assumptions here and

617
00:29:38,630 --> 00:29:35,520
we'll get into why I have to assume

618
00:29:41,389 --> 00:29:38,640
things soon uh

619
00:29:45,049 --> 00:29:41,399
I'm assuming that they submitted it the

620
00:29:47,450 --> 00:29:45,059
DNA to CODIS which is the criminal

621
00:29:50,330 --> 00:29:47,460
federal government database of criminals

622
00:29:53,570 --> 00:29:50,340
and never received a match

623
00:29:56,930 --> 00:29:53,580
that would seem to point to the fact

624
00:30:00,169 --> 00:29:56,940
that this assailant who was the owner of

625
00:30:02,029 --> 00:30:00,179
the earring ripped from him during the

626
00:30:05,210 --> 00:30:02,039
attack the murder

627
00:30:07,789 --> 00:30:05,220
was never convicted of other crimes or

628
00:30:11,570 --> 00:30:07,799
he would likely at least serious crimes

629
00:30:13,610 --> 00:30:11,580
or he or she would likely be in this

630
00:30:16,549 --> 00:30:13,620
database that all law enforcement

631
00:30:18,830 --> 00:30:16,559
agencies use

632
00:30:19,690 --> 00:30:18,840
I've mentioned this

633
00:30:22,549 --> 00:30:19,700
um

634
00:30:26,210 --> 00:30:22,559
hearing and DNA evidence and as I said

635
00:30:28,029 --> 00:30:26,220
every single article

636
00:30:32,049 --> 00:30:28,039
up to a point

637
00:30:36,289 --> 00:30:32,059
let me check here what was that

638
00:30:40,210 --> 00:30:36,299
the article that we just referenced uh

639
00:30:43,669 --> 00:30:40,220
was from 2018 I found articles from 20

640
00:30:48,409 --> 00:30:43,679
20. that also mentioned this earring the

641
00:30:50,990 --> 00:30:48,419
DNA evidence and uh that the earring was

642
00:30:52,549 --> 00:30:51,000
ripped from the ear of one of the

643
00:30:57,230 --> 00:30:52,559
murderers

644
00:31:01,190 --> 00:30:57,240
so to me it's so tantalizing that for

645
00:31:05,510 --> 00:31:01,200
all of this time investigators appear to

646
00:31:07,850 --> 00:31:05,520
have the key to solving this

647
00:31:11,149 --> 00:31:07,860
double murder

648
00:31:13,669 --> 00:31:11,159
and so far have been unable to do that

649
00:31:15,950 --> 00:31:13,679
when I realized that the Golden State

650
00:31:18,110 --> 00:31:15,960
killer case was solved using these

651
00:31:20,350 --> 00:31:18,120
genealogical databases the first

652
00:31:24,250 --> 00:31:20,360
question that I had for authorities was

653
00:31:27,110 --> 00:31:24,260
did you submit this to

654
00:31:29,090 --> 00:31:27,120
genealogical databases to get a familial

655
00:31:32,630 --> 00:31:29,100
match if you can't get a match through

656
00:31:34,370 --> 00:31:32,640
CODIS perhaps you could at least get a

657
00:31:36,710 --> 00:31:34,380
match to one of these assailants family

658
00:31:37,970 --> 00:31:36,720
members and then work the investigation

659
00:31:40,250 --> 00:31:37,980
from there

660
00:31:43,730 --> 00:31:40,260
I think

661
00:31:46,789 --> 00:31:43,740
or I did think that this case having

662
00:31:48,470 --> 00:31:46,799
this DNA evidence is still very very

663
00:31:51,950 --> 00:31:48,480
solvable

664
00:31:54,049 --> 00:31:51,960
and I just want to mention that I am the

665
00:31:56,510 --> 00:31:54,059
father of two boys

666
00:31:59,090 --> 00:31:56,520
and when I think about the horror of

667
00:32:03,169 --> 00:31:59,100
losing one of them

668
00:32:05,090 --> 00:32:03,179
it's unbearable to me especially to a

669
00:32:07,789 --> 00:32:05,100
violent Act

670
00:32:11,930 --> 00:32:07,799
like a brutal murder

671
00:32:14,570 --> 00:32:11,940
but worse than that I thought about the

672
00:32:17,330 --> 00:32:14,580
families who for almost 30 years now

673
00:32:21,409 --> 00:32:17,340
have been waiting

674
00:32:24,529 --> 00:32:21,419
for justice for the loss of their sons

675
00:32:26,870 --> 00:32:24,539
there's two grieving families and and

676
00:32:27,889 --> 00:32:26,880
not to mention remember being 20 years

677
00:32:29,389 --> 00:32:27,899
old

678
00:32:31,310 --> 00:32:29,399
I bet

679
00:32:34,610 --> 00:32:31,320
when you were 20 years old you had a lot

680
00:32:39,529 --> 00:32:34,620
more friends than you do now

681
00:32:41,090 --> 00:32:39,539
these two men are were grieved by

682
00:32:44,389 --> 00:32:41,100
many people

683
00:32:45,830 --> 00:32:44,399
including the whole town even people who

684
00:32:48,710 --> 00:32:45,840
didn't know them

685
00:32:50,389 --> 00:32:48,720
still whisper about this case

686
00:32:53,029 --> 00:32:50,399
and wonder

687
00:32:56,810 --> 00:32:53,039
why it was never solved if the police

688
00:32:59,870 --> 00:32:56,820
have DNA evidence linked directly to one

689
00:32:59,880 --> 00:33:05,149
now here is where things get interesting

690
00:33:11,450 --> 00:33:08,930
in researching this case I started to go

691
00:33:14,210 --> 00:33:11,460
through all the news reports and as I

692
00:33:16,610 --> 00:33:14,220
said every news report that you find on

693
00:33:20,149 --> 00:33:16,620
this case mentions the earring

694
00:33:23,450 --> 00:33:20,159
ripped from the probable murderer's ear

695
00:33:26,509 --> 00:33:25,190
until recently

696
00:33:28,490 --> 00:33:26,519
because

697
00:33:31,490 --> 00:33:28,500
and here's where all of my questions

698
00:33:35,630 --> 00:33:31,500
really begin about this case and where

699
00:33:37,730 --> 00:33:35,640
this case takes on a frightening

700
00:33:39,590 --> 00:33:37,740
new dimension

701
00:33:41,409 --> 00:33:39,600
of Mystery

702
00:33:44,210 --> 00:33:41,419
recently

703
00:33:45,889 --> 00:33:44,220
the local district attorney his name is

704
00:33:48,289 --> 00:33:45,899
Matt Weintraub

705
00:33:51,169 --> 00:33:48,299
gave an interview to a local television

706
00:33:55,370 --> 00:33:51,179
station and during that interview

707
00:33:58,930 --> 00:33:55,380
remember for all of this time now every

708
00:34:02,090 --> 00:33:58,940
news article you find every report

709
00:34:04,730 --> 00:34:02,100
everything mentions this hearing they

710
00:34:06,649 --> 00:34:04,740
have the DNA we're still hopeful we'll

711
00:34:08,329 --> 00:34:06,659
get a match we're still hopeful that the

712
00:34:11,450 --> 00:34:08,339
case could be solved because we have

713
00:34:13,849 --> 00:34:11,460
this Smoking Gun evidence ripped from

714
00:34:15,889 --> 00:34:13,859
one of the murderer's ears

715
00:34:18,530 --> 00:34:15,899
um

716
00:34:21,050 --> 00:34:18,540
and then all that changed

717
00:34:22,250 --> 00:34:21,060
all that changed during a recent

718
00:34:26,089 --> 00:34:22,260
interview

719
00:34:27,530 --> 00:34:26,099
uh and one second I'm uh gotta get the

720
00:34:30,109 --> 00:34:27,540
uh

721
00:34:32,810 --> 00:34:30,119
I have to get the date of that interview

722
00:34:35,930 --> 00:34:32,820
I don't want to misspeak here

723
00:34:39,710 --> 00:34:35,940
uh one second

724
00:34:41,690 --> 00:34:39,720
this is last year sometime though uh and

725
00:34:43,609 --> 00:34:41,700
the district attorney gives an

726
00:34:46,730 --> 00:34:43,619
interesting interview

727
00:34:48,169 --> 00:34:46,740
and during this interview he says that

728
00:34:49,609 --> 00:34:48,179
the

729
00:34:52,669 --> 00:34:49,619
uh

730
00:34:55,070 --> 00:34:52,679
the earring has been ruled out as being

731
00:34:56,950 --> 00:34:55,080
relevant to the case

732
00:34:59,930 --> 00:34:56,960
and I

733
00:35:02,750 --> 00:34:59,940
couldn't believe it like how how was

734
00:35:05,510 --> 00:35:02,760
that determined the earring is no longer

735
00:35:08,089 --> 00:35:05,520
relevant you guys figured out that that

736
00:35:10,010 --> 00:35:08,099
had nothing to do with the case and this

737
00:35:12,710 --> 00:35:10,020
brings us up a startling amount of

738
00:35:14,870 --> 00:35:12,720
questions and my first question to the

739
00:35:18,589 --> 00:35:14,880
district attorney and the local police

740
00:35:21,530 --> 00:35:18,599
were how often do you find a bloody

741
00:35:25,130 --> 00:35:21,540
earring with skin still on it

742
00:35:28,849 --> 00:35:25,140
between two murder victims at the scene

743
00:35:34,730 --> 00:35:28,859
of a crime that's unsolved that is not

744
00:35:41,210 --> 00:35:38,450
so my troubling questions about this

745
00:35:42,650 --> 00:35:41,220
case began right here with this new

746
00:35:45,349 --> 00:35:42,660
interview

747
00:35:49,790 --> 00:35:45,359
and we are going to cite fair use this

748
00:35:51,650 --> 00:35:49,800
is a local news station local to me

749
00:35:54,310 --> 00:35:51,660
this is a transformative work we're

750
00:35:56,990 --> 00:35:54,320
educating the public and we will be

751
00:35:58,370 --> 00:35:57,000
discussing and critiquing the video that

752
00:36:00,050 --> 00:35:58,380
we're sharing

753
00:36:03,650 --> 00:36:00,060
for those just joining us you're

754
00:36:06,530 --> 00:36:03,660
watching truth Seekers and uh you are

755
00:36:08,990 --> 00:36:06,540
here at the debut of our new series

756
00:36:11,270 --> 00:36:09,000
getting away with murder

757
00:36:16,849 --> 00:36:11,280
so

758
00:36:21,349 --> 00:36:16,859
almost 30 years

759
00:36:23,870 --> 00:36:21,359
there has been the myth of this case

760
00:36:25,370 --> 00:36:23,880
it's going to be solved and the real

761
00:36:28,250 --> 00:36:25,380
reason it's going to be solved is

762
00:36:31,250 --> 00:36:28,260
because the police have a bloody earring

763
00:36:33,530 --> 00:36:31,260
that even had skin on it that was ripped

764
00:36:36,970 --> 00:36:33,540
from the ear of of one of the murderers

765
00:36:39,349 --> 00:36:36,980
during the attack

766
00:36:42,050 --> 00:36:39,359
but recently

767
00:36:42,950 --> 00:36:42,060
the Warminster district attorney gave an

768
00:36:46,370 --> 00:36:42,960
interview

769
00:36:49,790 --> 00:36:46,380
and I was struck by the lack of

770
00:36:51,710 --> 00:36:49,800
explanation because everyone I know it's

771
00:36:53,870 --> 00:36:51,720
hard to tell you don't live here in my

772
00:36:56,510 --> 00:36:53,880
town in Warminster Pennsylvania but

773
00:36:58,430 --> 00:36:56,520
everyone that I asked about this case

774
00:37:01,250 --> 00:36:58,440
remember I'm a recent

775
00:37:02,569 --> 00:37:01,260
resident here I was born and raised and

776
00:37:05,750 --> 00:37:02,579
lived most of my life in Philadelphia

777
00:37:07,849 --> 00:37:05,760
before moving here a few years ago but

778
00:37:09,710 --> 00:37:07,859
everyone I asked about this case I went

779
00:37:11,690 --> 00:37:09,720
to the original Shopping Center

780
00:37:14,150 --> 00:37:11,700
I'm going to go back

781
00:37:15,770 --> 00:37:14,160
tomorrow or the next day because there

782
00:37:17,450 --> 00:37:15,780
are some people that are just busy at

783
00:37:19,310 --> 00:37:17,460
work and didn't have time to talk to me

784
00:37:22,250 --> 00:37:19,320
who promised they would

785
00:37:24,050 --> 00:37:22,260
everyone that I talked to said yeah it's

786
00:37:25,990 --> 00:37:24,060
a shame they never saw that especially

787
00:37:29,450 --> 00:37:26,000
because they have that DNA evidence

788
00:37:31,069 --> 00:37:29,460
everyone I talked to said yeah they got

789
00:37:32,630 --> 00:37:31,079
that earring that was ripped right out

790
00:37:34,250 --> 00:37:32,640
of the murderer I don't know why they

791
00:37:35,510 --> 00:37:34,260
never solved the case why didn't they

792
00:37:38,390 --> 00:37:35,520
ever get a match

793
00:37:41,089 --> 00:37:38,400
and the interesting part is nobody knows

794
00:37:44,450 --> 00:37:41,099
if they ever did get a match

795
00:37:46,430 --> 00:37:44,460
and now we get this interview with the

796
00:37:48,050 --> 00:37:46,440
local district attorney where he just

797
00:37:50,810 --> 00:37:48,060
says

798
00:37:53,210 --> 00:37:50,820
that this earring thing took on Mythic

799
00:37:55,849 --> 00:37:53,220
proportions but we've been able to rule

800
00:37:58,250 --> 00:37:55,859
it out as being relevant to the case but

801
00:38:01,370 --> 00:37:58,260
then he offers no explanation as to

802
00:38:04,069 --> 00:38:01,380
number one how was that earring that had

803
00:38:06,310 --> 00:38:04,079
Blood and Tissue all over it found that

804
00:38:08,750 --> 00:38:06,320
this in between two dead bodies

805
00:38:10,490 --> 00:38:08,760
determined to not be relevant to the

806
00:38:12,829 --> 00:38:10,500
case

807
00:38:15,230 --> 00:38:12,839
and

808
00:38:17,089 --> 00:38:15,240
what steps were taken how did they

809
00:38:19,310 --> 00:38:17,099
determine it's not relevant to the case

810
00:38:21,589 --> 00:38:19,320
did they get a match and then they

811
00:38:23,930 --> 00:38:21,599
interview the person it matched to and

812
00:38:26,450 --> 00:38:23,940
then exclude them from being involved

813
00:38:32,990 --> 00:38:30,050
we'll get into my questions but the

814
00:38:35,150 --> 00:38:33,000
important part is that the Warminster

815
00:38:37,730 --> 00:38:35,160
District Attorney's office and the

816
00:38:41,450 --> 00:38:37,740
Warminster Police Department have so far

817
00:38:42,470 --> 00:38:41,460
refused to answer a single question that

818
00:38:44,510 --> 00:38:42,480
I asked

819
00:38:46,490 --> 00:38:44,520
they even employ at the District

820
00:38:49,190 --> 00:38:46,500
Attorney's Office a full-time

821
00:38:51,410 --> 00:38:49,200
communications director whose job it is

822
00:38:53,210 --> 00:38:51,420
to communicate with members of the media

823
00:38:54,829 --> 00:38:53,220
and here's where things get even

824
00:38:57,050 --> 00:38:54,839
stranger

825
00:38:59,450 --> 00:38:57,060
they have communicated with many

826
00:39:01,670 --> 00:38:59,460
different members of the media and we

827
00:39:03,290 --> 00:39:01,680
can see evidence of that by all the

828
00:39:05,630 --> 00:39:03,300
newspaper articles

829
00:39:08,329 --> 00:39:05,640
all the local television news stories

830
00:39:09,170 --> 00:39:08,339
about it they have communicated in the

831
00:39:11,750 --> 00:39:09,180
past

832
00:39:14,930 --> 00:39:11,760
but apparently they will no longer

833
00:39:17,870 --> 00:39:14,940
communicate anything about this case

834
00:39:21,349 --> 00:39:17,880
and we are going to see more about that

835
00:39:25,609 --> 00:39:21,359
but let's listen to this recent news

836
00:39:29,930 --> 00:39:25,619
report and again this is uh from

837
00:39:33,230 --> 00:39:29,940
one second this is from April 22nd so

838
00:39:36,170 --> 00:39:33,240
for this entire time now from 1996 from

839
00:39:39,890 --> 00:39:36,180
November 10th 1996 up until this date

840
00:39:42,170 --> 00:39:39,900
April 22nd 2022

841
00:39:44,329 --> 00:39:42,180
every news report talked about this

842
00:39:45,890 --> 00:39:44,339
earring and how they extracted dma and

843
00:39:48,950 --> 00:39:45,900
how it was ripped from the assailant's

844
00:39:51,410 --> 00:39:48,960
ear and suddenly now

845
00:39:53,630 --> 00:39:51,420
that earring has been determined by the

846
00:39:56,030 --> 00:39:53,640
Warminster District Attorney's office to

847
00:39:58,910 --> 00:39:56,040
not be relevant to the case even though

848
00:40:01,970 --> 00:39:58,920
it was nearing with Blood and Tissue on

849
00:40:03,950 --> 00:40:01,980
it that was found sitting between two

850
00:40:06,829 --> 00:40:03,960
discovered dead bodies

851
00:40:07,990 --> 00:40:06,839
in this case and and let me be very

852
00:40:11,329 --> 00:40:08,000
clear

853
00:40:13,550 --> 00:40:11,339
those men were not dead bodies

854
00:40:15,950 --> 00:40:13,560
those men were important their names

855
00:40:18,230 --> 00:40:15,960
were Sean Campbell and Brian Benson and

856
00:40:20,870 --> 00:40:18,240
they matter and

857
00:40:24,770 --> 00:40:20,880
the community deserves answers about

858
00:40:27,290 --> 00:40:24,780
this Sudden Change and also about why it

859
00:40:29,390 --> 00:40:27,300
took 30 years almost to determine

860
00:40:30,829 --> 00:40:29,400
suddenly that that evidence was not

861
00:40:33,470 --> 00:40:30,839
relevant anymore

862
00:40:35,870 --> 00:40:33,480
and somebody really needs to explain to

863
00:40:38,510 --> 00:40:35,880
me how you find a bloody earring with

864
00:40:41,030 --> 00:40:38,520
skin on it between two dead bodies and

865
00:40:42,050 --> 00:40:41,040
it's just not relevant to the case and

866
00:40:44,690 --> 00:40:42,060
the fact that they won't answer

867
00:40:47,150 --> 00:40:44,700
questions really bothers me

868
00:40:49,250 --> 00:40:47,160
uh but let's get into the news report

869
00:40:51,050 --> 00:40:49,260
friends uh this is fair use we'll

870
00:40:53,569 --> 00:40:51,060
critique the video and talk about it

871
00:40:54,410 --> 00:40:53,579
after the video plays

872
00:40:56,750 --> 00:40:54,420
um

873
00:40:59,150 --> 00:40:56,760
courtesy of local news station Jew

874
00:41:01,490 --> 00:40:59,160
family is searching for answers nearly

875
00:41:03,589 --> 00:41:01,500
30 years ago Brian Benson and Sean

876
00:41:05,450 --> 00:41:03,599
Campbell were fatally stabbed while

877
00:41:07,849 --> 00:41:05,460
finishing their shifts at a warm insert

878
00:41:10,490 --> 00:41:07,859
video rental store Bucks County

879
00:41:12,890 --> 00:41:10,500
authorities have had few leads but the

880
00:41:18,710 --> 00:41:12,900
case remains a priority here's Joe

881
00:41:22,849 --> 00:41:20,750
it was closing time at the West Coast

882
00:41:25,130 --> 00:41:22,859
Video in the rosemore shopping center in

883
00:41:28,130 --> 00:41:25,140
Warminster both Sean Campbell and Brian

884
00:41:30,589 --> 00:41:28,140
Benson were on the clock the 220 year

885
00:41:33,170 --> 00:41:30,599
olds were wrapping things up when they

886
00:41:34,849 --> 00:41:33,180
were brutally attacked a terrible case

887
00:41:38,750 --> 00:41:34,859
of being in the wrong place at the wrong

888
00:41:42,230 --> 00:41:38,760
time it was November 10 1993 the men

889
00:41:44,329 --> 00:41:42,240
were repeatedly and savagely stabbed the

890
00:41:46,490 --> 00:41:44,339
double murder investigation has remained

891
00:41:49,010 --> 00:41:46,500
open and on the books here in Bucks

892
00:41:51,530 --> 00:41:49,020
County detectives and prosecutors are

893
00:41:53,630 --> 00:41:51,540
hopeful someday they will catch a break

894
00:41:56,270 --> 00:41:53,640
this is a case that has haunted your

895
00:41:59,569 --> 00:41:56,280
office it has it's haunted my office

896
00:42:02,210 --> 00:41:59,579
it's haunted me personally because I was

897
00:42:04,430 --> 00:42:02,220
a brand new Ada when these two young men

898
00:42:06,890 --> 00:42:04,440
got murdered and not only that

899
00:42:08,569 --> 00:42:06,900
they grew up in the town that I grew up

900
00:42:10,970 --> 00:42:08,579
next door and we went to the same high

901
00:42:14,390 --> 00:42:10,980
school we were only a few years apart

902
00:42:16,490 --> 00:42:14,400
from each other so this really resonated

903
00:42:19,069 --> 00:42:16,500
with me and has stuck with me now for

904
00:42:21,170 --> 00:42:19,079
three decades the case deeply personal

905
00:42:23,750 --> 00:42:21,180
for those in the highest reaches of law

906
00:42:26,450 --> 00:42:23,760
enforcement in the county roiled the

907
00:42:29,450 --> 00:42:26,460
quiet Warminster Community both Sean and

908
00:42:31,550 --> 00:42:29,460
Brian were well liked elite theory this

909
00:42:34,190 --> 00:42:31,560
deadly crime was a robbery gone bad

910
00:42:35,990 --> 00:42:34,200
district attorney Matt Weintraub says

911
00:42:38,870 --> 00:42:36,000
some early theories turned out to be

912
00:42:41,930 --> 00:42:38,880
incorrect including the discovery of an

913
00:42:44,690 --> 00:42:41,940
earring that was early on suspected to

914
00:42:48,050 --> 00:42:44,700
be the killers Weintraub says that

915
00:42:50,690 --> 00:42:48,060
wasn't so we did locate an earring at

916
00:42:52,849 --> 00:42:50,700
the scene of these two murders and that

917
00:42:55,990 --> 00:42:52,859
has taken on this mythological

918
00:42:59,390 --> 00:42:56,000
proportions in the eyes of the public

919
00:43:01,150 --> 00:42:59,400
unfortunately or fortunately we've been

920
00:43:04,550 --> 00:43:01,160
able to

921
00:43:07,010 --> 00:43:04,560
diffuse that myth at least

922
00:43:10,730 --> 00:43:07,020
professionally and that that earring is

923
00:43:12,650 --> 00:43:10,740
not connected to the killers I wish that

924
00:43:15,410 --> 00:43:12,660
it were because it might lead us to

925
00:43:17,990 --> 00:43:15,420
somebody last year cbs3 spoke with Brian

926
00:43:20,809 --> 00:43:18,000
Benson's mother Janus after the families

927
00:43:23,750 --> 00:43:20,819
donated unused reward money to charity

928
00:43:27,829 --> 00:43:23,760
no matter what there would never be any

929
00:43:30,410 --> 00:43:27,839
closure you don't close something like

930
00:43:32,870 --> 00:43:30,420
that even with the passage of time it is

931
00:43:35,809 --> 00:43:32,880
hoped a killer will be found the case

932
00:43:37,670 --> 00:43:35,819
remains open and very active it would

933
00:43:39,589 --> 00:43:37,680
give me not only great professional

934
00:43:42,650 --> 00:43:39,599
satisfaction but a lot of personal

935
00:43:46,010 --> 00:43:42,660
satisfaction if I could bring these two

936
00:43:52,490 --> 00:43:46,020
young men's Killers to justice for CBS 3

937
00:43:57,170 --> 00:43:55,250
so there we have it friends uh a

938
00:44:00,050 --> 00:43:57,180
stunning admission by the district

939
00:44:01,790 --> 00:44:00,060
attorney that the earring is not

940
00:44:04,069 --> 00:44:01,800
relevant to the case

941
00:44:07,490 --> 00:44:04,079
and this just leaves me filled with

942
00:44:10,550 --> 00:44:07,500
questions so you guys know

943
00:44:12,530 --> 00:44:10,560
how I am I dig into something I

944
00:44:14,150 --> 00:44:12,540
investigate it as fully as humanly

945
00:44:19,690 --> 00:44:14,160
possible

946
00:44:22,190 --> 00:44:19,700
so I went to the District Attorney's

947
00:44:23,990 --> 00:44:22,200
communications director and started

948
00:44:26,510 --> 00:44:24,000
asking questions

949
00:44:30,410 --> 00:44:26,520
and very quickly

950
00:44:32,510 --> 00:44:30,420
the let's call it a

951
00:44:35,030 --> 00:44:32,520
relationship I don't know

952
00:44:36,589 --> 00:44:35,040
very quickly I called him on the phone

953
00:44:38,329 --> 00:44:36,599
and talked to him on the phone first I

954
00:44:41,930 --> 00:44:38,339
had some questions and I requested an

955
00:44:44,390 --> 00:44:41,940
interview with the district attorney uh

956
00:44:46,609 --> 00:44:44,400
and was told that that would be possible

957
00:44:48,910 --> 00:44:46,619
but he's very busy I'll get back to you

958
00:44:50,990 --> 00:44:48,920
or something to that effect

959
00:44:54,290 --> 00:44:51,000
then I called the communications

960
00:44:56,690 --> 00:44:54,300
director back and I said I'd like to

961
00:44:58,730 --> 00:44:56,700
fully investigate this I'm a good

962
00:45:01,609 --> 00:44:58,740
investigator and I'd like to see

963
00:45:06,170 --> 00:45:01,619
everything that you have on the case

964
00:45:09,170 --> 00:45:06,180
well that's when the uh everything did a

965
00:45:11,569 --> 00:45:09,180
180 and the communications director then

966
00:45:14,809 --> 00:45:11,579
told me the district attorney denied my

967
00:45:18,109 --> 00:45:14,819
request for an interview about the case

968
00:45:21,230 --> 00:45:18,119
and uh further

969
00:45:25,069 --> 00:45:21,240
if I wanted to see anything related to

970
00:45:26,630 --> 00:45:25,079
this nearly 30 year old Cold Case I

971
00:45:29,030 --> 00:45:26,640
would have to file

972
00:45:31,730 --> 00:45:29,040
what is called a right to know request

973
00:45:33,349 --> 00:45:31,740
which is the local equivalent many of

974
00:45:35,809 --> 00:45:33,359
you people are familiar with foia

975
00:45:37,069 --> 00:45:35,819
request Freedom of Information Act it's

976
00:45:40,130 --> 00:45:37,079
very similar

977
00:45:42,349 --> 00:45:40,140
and it applies to government agencies

978
00:45:43,849 --> 00:45:42,359
anyone as a citizen can fill out a right

979
00:45:47,690 --> 00:45:43,859
to know request and request to see

980
00:45:50,990 --> 00:45:47,700
anything anything phone records whatever

981
00:45:53,510 --> 00:45:51,000
so I did exactly that at the direction

982
00:45:55,910 --> 00:45:53,520
of the Warminster County District

983
00:45:58,790 --> 00:45:55,920
Attorney's Communications officer who

984
00:46:00,290 --> 00:45:58,800
said I can't give you any records you

985
00:46:03,109 --> 00:46:00,300
have to fill out right to no requests

986
00:46:04,490 --> 00:46:03,119
for whatever you want and then I I

987
00:46:06,770 --> 00:46:04,500
believe I talked to him on the phone and

988
00:46:08,569 --> 00:46:06,780
I said well I want to see everything I

989
00:46:11,390 --> 00:46:08,579
want to see the DNA results I want to

990
00:46:13,250 --> 00:46:11,400
see what labs you send it to uh I want

991
00:46:15,109 --> 00:46:13,260
to see how did you determine that that

992
00:46:16,970 --> 00:46:15,119
is not relevant I want to see the

993
00:46:19,609 --> 00:46:16,980
investigative reports I want the names

994
00:46:23,270 --> 00:46:19,619
of the officers who originally invested

995
00:46:25,910 --> 00:46:23,280
the case it investigated this case I

996
00:46:28,010 --> 00:46:25,920
want to see the I want the names of the

997
00:46:30,650 --> 00:46:28,020
officers who are currently investing

998
00:46:32,870 --> 00:46:30,660
investigating the case in short I want

999
00:46:34,609 --> 00:46:32,880
everything I want to see it all

1000
00:46:38,210 --> 00:46:34,619
and

1001
00:46:41,210 --> 00:46:38,220
that's where things took a turn here

1002
00:46:44,450 --> 00:46:41,220
and so I am going to show you my

1003
00:46:48,589 --> 00:46:44,460
original right to know request

1004
00:46:50,270 --> 00:46:48,599
um one second here let me get this and

1005
00:46:52,790 --> 00:46:50,280
uh

1006
00:46:55,550 --> 00:46:52,800
I've gotten quite an education and what

1007
00:46:57,710 --> 00:46:55,560
I can tell you in Pennsylvania about the

1008
00:47:00,109 --> 00:46:57,720
right to know laws is they should not

1009
00:47:02,390 --> 00:47:00,119
call it a right to know law they should

1010
00:47:04,870 --> 00:47:02,400
call it a right to know whatever we

1011
00:47:09,770 --> 00:47:04,880
decide you're going to know law

1012
00:47:12,230 --> 00:47:09,780
uh so I will show you uh

1013
00:47:14,030 --> 00:47:12,240
my original request I'm going to share

1014
00:47:18,109 --> 00:47:14,040
my screen here

1015
00:47:20,329 --> 00:47:18,119
uh one second friends and so I began to

1016
00:47:22,250 --> 00:47:20,339
submit right to know requests and I have

1017
00:47:26,030 --> 00:47:22,260
been submitting right to no requests

1018
00:47:29,150 --> 00:47:26,040
since this began several weeks ago and

1019
00:47:32,930 --> 00:47:29,160
things get stranger and stranger the

1020
00:47:36,230 --> 00:47:32,940
deeper that we begin to investigate this

1021
00:47:38,750 --> 00:47:36,240
nearly 30 year old Cold Case

1022
00:47:40,790 --> 00:47:38,760
uh I said hello someone from your office

1023
00:47:42,710 --> 00:47:40,800
told me I should contact you I am an

1024
00:47:47,089 --> 00:47:42,720
investigative journalist and I'm

1025
00:47:49,550 --> 00:47:47,099
investigating the unsolved murders

1026
00:47:52,609 --> 00:47:49,560
of Sean Campbell and Brian Benson I

1027
00:47:54,349 --> 00:47:52,619
realize this is a very old case but I am

1028
00:47:56,809 --> 00:47:54,359
looking for all the files and materials

1029
00:47:59,930 --> 00:47:56,819
you have on the case past or present I

1030
00:48:02,030 --> 00:47:59,940
would like any and all files emails uh

1031
00:48:04,370 --> 00:48:02,040
to or from your office concerning the

1032
00:48:07,250 --> 00:48:04,380
case meeting minutes media files audio

1033
00:48:09,470 --> 00:48:07,260
recordings I try to paint with a very

1034
00:48:11,450 --> 00:48:09,480
broad brush here to just let them know I

1035
00:48:13,550 --> 00:48:11,460
want to see all of it I want everything

1036
00:48:16,069 --> 00:48:13,560
you have

1037
00:48:18,589 --> 00:48:16,079
um audio recordings investigators notes

1038
00:48:20,630 --> 00:48:18,599
or reports video recordings Etc I am

1039
00:48:22,190 --> 00:48:20,640
also specifically interested in emails

1040
00:48:25,069 --> 00:48:22,200
between the District Attorney's office

1041
00:48:27,170 --> 00:48:25,079
and any and all police officers involved

1042
00:48:30,050 --> 00:48:27,180
in a case past or present and email

1043
00:48:32,030 --> 00:48:30,060
Communications passed or present this

1044
00:48:33,950 --> 00:48:32,040
line here about being specifically

1045
00:48:35,930 --> 00:48:33,960
interested in the emails between the

1046
00:48:37,609 --> 00:48:35,940
District Attorney's office and any and

1047
00:48:42,470 --> 00:48:37,619
all police officers involved in the case

1048
00:48:44,450 --> 00:48:42,480
was um advice given to me by a retired

1049
00:48:47,990 --> 00:48:44,460
police officer's friend he looked at

1050
00:48:50,210 --> 00:48:48,000
what I had been looking into so far and

1051
00:48:52,250 --> 00:48:50,220
we had a phone conversation and he gave

1052
00:48:54,470 --> 00:48:52,260
me the advice that if I want to get up

1053
00:48:57,230 --> 00:48:54,480
to speed on what's really been going on

1054
00:48:59,150 --> 00:48:57,240
with the case I want to see the emails

1055
00:49:01,130 --> 00:48:59,160
that they're shooting back and forth

1056
00:49:02,870 --> 00:49:01,140
about what's going on with the case so I

1057
00:49:05,150 --> 00:49:02,880
put that line specifically in there

1058
00:49:06,890 --> 00:49:05,160
thanks to a retired police officer

1059
00:49:11,089 --> 00:49:06,900
friend who's an excellent detective and

1060
00:49:13,309 --> 00:49:11,099
by the way has offered to uh for free to

1061
00:49:16,010 --> 00:49:13,319
investigate this case with me and

1062
00:49:18,230 --> 00:49:16,020
besides him I have several other retired

1063
00:49:21,170 --> 00:49:18,240
police officers who are offering to help

1064
00:49:23,510 --> 00:49:21,180
me investigate this case fully

1065
00:49:25,609 --> 00:49:23,520
uh I go on to say I would like your

1066
00:49:27,710 --> 00:49:25,619
office to conduct a thorough search and

1067
00:49:29,450 --> 00:49:27,720
provide me with everything you have I am

1068
00:49:32,210 --> 00:49:29,460
local to you in Warminster and I would

1069
00:49:34,970 --> 00:49:32,220
be happy to come to your office and pick

1070
00:49:37,550 --> 00:49:34,980
up copies of everything if that makes it

1071
00:49:41,030 --> 00:49:37,560
easier for you otherwise email is fine

1072
00:49:43,790 --> 00:49:41,040
emails or files scan to PDF can be sent

1073
00:49:46,069 --> 00:49:43,800
back to this email address please let us

1074
00:49:49,190 --> 00:49:46,079
know if you need me to fill out a form

1075
00:49:51,050 --> 00:49:49,200
or forms or what other requirements you

1076
00:49:52,790 --> 00:49:51,060
currently have and please let me know

1077
00:49:55,010 --> 00:49:52,800
you got this message and when I can

1078
00:49:57,349 --> 00:49:55,020
expect this request to be fulfilled

1079
00:49:59,930 --> 00:49:57,359
thanks in advance for your help and

1080
00:50:01,190 --> 00:49:59,940
assistance Stephen cambian investigative

1081
00:50:03,530 --> 00:50:01,200
journalist

1082
00:50:06,710 --> 00:50:03,540
uh and of course they label that as an

1083
00:50:09,609 --> 00:50:06,720
exhibit letting uh you know this all

1084
00:50:12,650 --> 00:50:09,619
becomes public record

1085
00:50:16,609 --> 00:50:12,660
this the fact that it is becomes public

1086
00:50:18,290 --> 00:50:16,619
record is both good and bad uh it's bad

1087
00:50:20,930 --> 00:50:18,300
because you have to be very careful what

1088
00:50:22,970 --> 00:50:20,940
you say in these requests because it

1089
00:50:25,190 --> 00:50:22,980
will become public record but the good

1090
00:50:28,010 --> 00:50:25,200
news is that we will generate a paper

1091
00:50:30,710 --> 00:50:28,020
trail that anyone else will be able to

1092
00:50:32,990 --> 00:50:30,720
see what this District Attorney's office

1093
00:50:36,230 --> 00:50:33,000
is doing and I believe that what they're

1094
00:50:40,010 --> 00:50:36,240
doing is completely improper

1095
00:50:41,510 --> 00:50:40,020
um and so here is the response to my

1096
00:50:43,490 --> 00:50:41,520
right to know request dear Stephen

1097
00:50:44,870 --> 00:50:43,500
cambian your request for information was

1098
00:50:47,750 --> 00:50:44,880
received by the Bucks County District

1099
00:50:49,790 --> 00:50:47,760
Attorney's Office via email

1100
00:50:51,349 --> 00:50:49,800
by this request you seek the following

1101
00:50:53,750 --> 00:50:51,359
they

1102
00:50:55,790 --> 00:50:53,760
detail what I asked for which is

1103
00:50:58,609 --> 00:50:55,800
essentially everything

1104
00:51:01,730 --> 00:50:58,619
then they tell me your request is denied

1105
00:51:03,650 --> 00:51:01,740
and they give a lot of legal reasons for

1106
00:51:04,790 --> 00:51:03,660
why if possessed the contest of the

1107
00:51:06,290 --> 00:51:04,800
District Attorney's file of

1108
00:51:07,730 --> 00:51:06,300
investigative materials whether they

1109
00:51:09,349 --> 00:51:07,740
exist in paper or electronic form

1110
00:51:11,750 --> 00:51:09,359
including any police investigative

1111
00:51:13,670 --> 00:51:11,760
reports scientific reports testing

1112
00:51:16,069 --> 00:51:13,680
results crime scene photographs that may

1113
00:51:18,049 --> 00:51:16,079
exist witness photographs and video

1114
00:51:20,690 --> 00:51:18,059
audio recordings are not public record

1115
00:51:23,809 --> 00:51:20,700
and are exempt from disclosure under art

1116
00:51:25,609 --> 00:51:23,819
right to know law and they cite the law

1117
00:51:27,890 --> 00:51:25,619
specifically are prohibited from

1118
00:51:30,609 --> 00:51:27,900
disclosure to you under criminal history

1119
00:51:32,990 --> 00:51:30,619
record Information Act

1120
00:51:34,910 --> 00:51:33,000
and this is where it gets problematic

1121
00:51:37,370 --> 00:51:34,920
because they're citing a law that says

1122
00:51:39,410 --> 00:51:37,380
we can't tell you anything

1123
00:51:41,089 --> 00:51:39,420
yet they have told multiple media

1124
00:51:43,130 --> 00:51:41,099
Outlets all kinds of things in the

1125
00:51:44,870 --> 00:51:43,140
30-year history of the case and I

1126
00:51:47,089 --> 00:51:44,880
believe that this is improper they

1127
00:51:48,890 --> 00:51:47,099
cannot use the law to Shield themselves

1128
00:51:52,010 --> 00:51:48,900
and prevent disclosure of information

1129
00:51:54,410 --> 00:51:52,020
and at the same time ignore the very

1130
00:51:58,309 --> 00:51:54,420
same law whenever they choose to to

1131
00:52:00,710 --> 00:51:58,319
their selected media friends

1132
00:52:02,450 --> 00:52:00,720
two if possessed the contents of the

1133
00:52:04,190 --> 00:52:02,460
District Attorney's Office files witness

1134
00:52:06,950 --> 00:52:04,200
and defended statements summaries or

1135
00:52:08,990 --> 00:52:06,960
memoranda of statements or anticipated

1136
00:52:10,670 --> 00:52:09,000
testimony of all Witnesses photographs

1137
00:52:12,470 --> 00:52:10,680
videos surveillance footage body camera

1138
00:52:14,690 --> 00:52:12,480
footage Communications or reports

1139
00:52:16,250 --> 00:52:14,700
between the police and the DOA evidence

1140
00:52:18,230 --> 00:52:16,260
list descriptions of physical evidence

1141
00:52:19,670 --> 00:52:18,240
inter evidence disclosed in a hearing or

1142
00:52:21,770 --> 00:52:19,680
provide it to the

1143
00:52:23,930 --> 00:52:21,780
criminal defendants are not public

1144
00:52:26,030 --> 00:52:23,940
record or exempt from disclosure under

1145
00:52:27,589 --> 00:52:26,040
right to no statute and again they list

1146
00:52:31,069 --> 00:52:27,599
the same statute

1147
00:52:35,150 --> 00:52:31,079
and are uh so they list two statutes for

1148
00:52:37,309 --> 00:52:35,160
why these uh files are exempt

1149
00:52:40,250 --> 00:52:37,319
they say it's also exempt from

1150
00:52:42,410 --> 00:52:40,260
disclosure under this law specifically

1151
00:52:44,150 --> 00:52:42,420
States investigative information shall

1152
00:52:46,069 --> 00:52:44,160
not be disseminated to any Department

1153
00:52:49,569 --> 00:52:46,079
here's where I have a problem with this

1154
00:52:52,250 --> 00:52:49,579
so they're citing a law saying that

1155
00:52:54,410 --> 00:52:52,260
individual requesting the information is

1156
00:52:56,329 --> 00:52:54,420
a criminal they cannot release any

1157
00:52:58,730 --> 00:52:56,339
information unless you're a criminal

1158
00:53:02,329 --> 00:52:58,740
justice agency

1159
00:53:04,430 --> 00:53:02,339
yet they have released information to

1160
00:53:06,530 --> 00:53:04,440
members of the media for the past 30

1161
00:53:09,650 --> 00:53:06,540
years suddenly they don't want to

1162
00:53:14,690 --> 00:53:09,660
release anything anything they will not

1163
00:53:17,270 --> 00:53:14,700
give me a single scrap of anything and

1164
00:53:21,230 --> 00:53:17,280
they are now refusing to answer any

1165
00:53:23,630 --> 00:53:21,240
questions about this case none not a

1166
00:53:26,450 --> 00:53:23,640
question they will not answer even basic

1167
00:53:28,430 --> 00:53:26,460
questions about the case

1168
00:53:30,290 --> 00:53:28,440
this point for is not important they

1169
00:53:32,270 --> 00:53:30,300
tell me I can't have the original 9-1-1

1170
00:53:34,730 --> 00:53:32,280
recordings I have to go to the

1171
00:53:37,270 --> 00:53:34,740
Warminster Police for that

1172
00:53:40,370 --> 00:53:37,280
then they say that

1173
00:53:42,589 --> 00:53:40,380
these records are all protected and not

1174
00:53:46,250 --> 00:53:42,599
subject to disclosure under work product

1175
00:53:48,349 --> 00:53:46,260
privileged law however again they're

1176
00:53:50,270 --> 00:53:48,359
citing a law to say we don't have to

1177
00:53:53,990 --> 00:53:50,280
disclose anything to you it's work

1178
00:53:56,270 --> 00:53:54,000
product privilege however again they

1179
00:53:58,370 --> 00:53:56,280
have released information both to

1180
00:54:00,589 --> 00:53:58,380
victims family members and members of

1181
00:54:03,410 --> 00:54:00,599
the media for the entire 30-year history

1182
00:54:05,089 --> 00:54:03,420
of the case whenever they chose to it's

1183
00:54:07,370 --> 00:54:05,099
just now

1184
00:54:09,589 --> 00:54:07,380
that people start asking about this

1185
00:54:11,450 --> 00:54:09,599
earring and the DNA evidence that

1186
00:54:14,930 --> 00:54:11,460
suddenly they do not want to release

1187
00:54:18,530 --> 00:54:16,190
um

1188
00:54:22,670 --> 00:54:18,540
and again point six I have to go to the

1189
00:54:26,450 --> 00:54:22,680
Warminster Police Department to get uh

1190
00:54:28,130 --> 00:54:26,460
to get certain items which I am doing

1191
00:54:30,290 --> 00:54:28,140
then they tell me I can appeal the

1192
00:54:32,569 --> 00:54:30,300
denial of instant requests

1193
00:54:35,510 --> 00:54:32,579
and here's where it gets interesting so

1194
00:54:37,609 --> 00:54:35,520
the denying agency the agency that says

1195
00:54:39,770 --> 00:54:37,619
no you can't have any of this

1196
00:54:42,109 --> 00:54:39,780
information

1197
00:54:44,210 --> 00:54:42,119
is the Phil is the Warminster District

1198
00:54:46,609 --> 00:54:44,220
Attorney's office then they tell me I

1199
00:54:50,930 --> 00:54:46,619
can file an appeal

1200
00:54:52,910 --> 00:54:50,940
on this denial with another member of

1201
00:54:56,089 --> 00:54:52,920
the District Attorney's office

1202
00:54:58,730 --> 00:54:56,099
and I object to that that makes no sense

1203
00:55:00,829 --> 00:54:58,740
so you're the denying agency saying we

1204
00:55:03,170 --> 00:55:00,839
don't have to give you a single scrap of

1205
00:55:06,049 --> 00:55:03,180
any information we don't have to answer

1206
00:55:09,109 --> 00:55:06,059
any of your questions none

1207
00:55:11,210 --> 00:55:09,119
and you can appeal to another guy in our

1208
00:55:14,630 --> 00:55:11,220
office

1209
00:55:19,730 --> 00:55:17,750
they say you know they tell me what I

1210
00:55:22,430 --> 00:55:19,740
need to and this is from Timothy Lutz

1211
00:55:25,069 --> 00:55:22,440
assistant district attorney

1212
00:55:26,990 --> 00:55:25,079
and uh here's where things get

1213
00:55:30,109 --> 00:55:27,000
interesting so

1214
00:55:32,630 --> 00:55:30,119
I thought I was dead in the water

1215
00:55:35,210 --> 00:55:32,640
but I kept thinking about the fact that

1216
00:55:38,569 --> 00:55:35,220
they continually

1217
00:55:41,930 --> 00:55:38,579
are releasing information in those files

1218
00:55:44,930 --> 00:55:41,940
I'm asking for to members of the media

1219
00:55:47,870 --> 00:55:44,940
I talked to someone familiar with foia

1220
00:55:49,609 --> 00:55:47,880
laws and right to know requests uh a

1221
00:55:52,430 --> 00:55:49,619
lawyer who told me

1222
00:55:55,130 --> 00:55:52,440
he read their letter and he said they

1223
00:55:57,829 --> 00:55:55,140
can't have it both ways and I said so

1224
00:56:00,349 --> 00:55:57,839
I'm right right they can't ignore the

1225
00:56:02,450 --> 00:56:00,359
law and release information from those

1226
00:56:04,190 --> 00:56:02,460
files whenever they choose to and then

1227
00:56:07,190 --> 00:56:04,200
use that same law

1228
00:56:08,390 --> 00:56:07,200
to Shield themselves from release of any

1229
00:56:10,549 --> 00:56:08,400
information

1230
00:56:12,349 --> 00:56:10,559
and I also just want to give a shout out

1231
00:56:14,150 --> 00:56:12,359
and thank you to John from The Black

1232
00:56:16,010 --> 00:56:14,160
Vault

1233
00:56:17,930 --> 00:56:16,020
um because from John from The Black

1234
00:56:22,130 --> 00:56:17,940
Vault for those who don't know who John

1235
00:56:24,950 --> 00:56:22,140
is he is the originator of The Black

1236
00:56:26,569 --> 00:56:24,960
Vault website and he files foia requests

1237
00:56:28,670 --> 00:56:26,579
with the federal government constantly

1238
00:56:30,530 --> 00:56:28,680
and forces them to release all kinds of

1239
00:56:31,549 --> 00:56:30,540
information that they don't want to

1240
00:56:33,650 --> 00:56:31,559
release

1241
00:56:35,690 --> 00:56:33,660
I reached out to John but he didn't get

1242
00:56:38,150 --> 00:56:35,700
back to me he's a very busy guy I asked

1243
00:56:40,069 --> 00:56:38,160
him for advice but the one thing I

1244
00:56:42,650 --> 00:56:40,079
remembered about John is John saying

1245
00:56:44,270 --> 00:56:42,660
always filed the appeal even if you

1246
00:56:46,370 --> 00:56:44,280
think you're going to lose even if you

1247
00:56:49,130 --> 00:56:46,380
think you're on shaky Graham file the

1248
00:56:51,049 --> 00:56:49,140
appeal let them know you want this

1249
00:56:54,710 --> 00:56:51,059
information you're entitled to this

1250
00:56:56,750 --> 00:56:54,720
information and you refuse to be denied

1251
00:56:57,770 --> 00:56:56,760
information that they should be

1252
00:56:59,089 --> 00:56:57,780
releasing

1253
00:57:02,930 --> 00:56:59,099
so

1254
00:57:06,410 --> 00:57:02,940
I filed a right to know request appeal

1255
00:57:09,890 --> 00:57:06,420
and we are still waiting on the appeal

1256
00:57:12,230 --> 00:57:09,900
but I use the argument

1257
00:57:14,150 --> 00:57:12,240
um that they cannot

1258
00:57:19,370 --> 00:57:14,160
first of all there's two arguments here

1259
00:57:21,890 --> 00:57:19,380
that are relevant and uh one of them is

1260
00:57:25,569 --> 00:57:21,900
that they are shielding they are using

1261
00:57:28,730 --> 00:57:25,579
the law to Shield themselves from

1262
00:57:31,130 --> 00:57:28,740
releasing these documents while ignoring

1263
00:57:34,490 --> 00:57:31,140
this very same law whenever they choose

1264
00:57:36,770 --> 00:57:34,500
to at their own discretion uh according

1265
00:57:40,010 --> 00:57:36,780
to Legal expert I consulted they can't

1266
00:57:41,750 --> 00:57:40,020
do both it's one or the other now if

1267
00:57:44,089 --> 00:57:41,760
they could prove they've never released

1268
00:57:45,829 --> 00:57:44,099
anything from that those case files to

1269
00:57:49,010 --> 00:57:45,839
anyone outside of law enforcement

1270
00:57:51,230 --> 00:57:49,020
agencies then sure that would be a valid

1271
00:57:53,390 --> 00:57:51,240
argument but we can see

1272
00:57:55,010 --> 00:57:53,400
in all these newspaper reports

1273
00:57:57,109 --> 00:57:55,020
throughout the history of this case

1274
00:57:59,150 --> 00:57:57,119
which are substantial there's a lot of

1275
00:58:01,490 --> 00:57:59,160
newspaper articles there's a lot of

1276
00:58:03,770 --> 00:58:01,500
television news reports on a lot of the

1277
00:58:05,809 --> 00:58:03,780
anniversary of the event somebody will

1278
00:58:08,450 --> 00:58:05,819
do a local news story about it yeah the

1279
00:58:11,030 --> 00:58:08,460
case is still not solved all includes

1280
00:58:13,130 --> 00:58:11,040
information that could only have come

1281
00:58:15,829 --> 00:58:13,140
from the District Attorney's office or

1282
00:58:16,670 --> 00:58:15,839
the Warminster Police

1283
00:58:19,069 --> 00:58:16,680
um

1284
00:58:22,609 --> 00:58:19,079
so I don't want to bore you for too long

1285
00:58:24,609 --> 00:58:22,619
uh here reading legal paperwork but uh

1286
00:58:28,870 --> 00:58:24,619
it's important that

1287
00:58:32,089 --> 00:58:28,880
we show you some of this appeal

1288
00:58:33,710 --> 00:58:32,099
I cite the right to know uh the

1289
00:58:35,690 --> 00:58:33,720
objective of the right to know law is to

1290
00:58:37,549 --> 00:58:35,700
empower citizens by affording them

1291
00:58:39,230 --> 00:58:37,559
access to information concerning the

1292
00:58:41,150 --> 00:58:39,240
activities of their government

1293
00:58:43,910 --> 00:58:41,160
and that's case law further this

1294
00:58:45,950 --> 00:58:43,920
important open government law is quote

1295
00:58:47,690 --> 00:58:45,960
designed to promote access to official

1296
00:58:50,210 --> 00:58:47,700
government information in order to

1297
00:58:52,609 --> 00:58:50,220
prohibit Secrets scrutinize the actions

1298
00:58:55,130 --> 00:58:52,619
the public officials and make the public

1299
00:58:57,410 --> 00:58:55,140
officials accountable for their actions

1300
00:58:59,990 --> 00:58:57,420
and again I say case law

1301
00:59:02,210 --> 00:59:00,000
I go on to argue how can we do the above

1302
00:59:04,370 --> 00:59:02,220
effectively when a denying agency has

1303
00:59:06,470 --> 00:59:04,380
failed to even properly evaluate all the

1304
00:59:08,870 --> 00:59:06,480
records in their possession another of

1305
00:59:11,750 --> 00:59:08,880
my arguments is that they gave me the

1306
00:59:13,970 --> 00:59:11,760
the deny letter like two days after I

1307
00:59:16,670 --> 00:59:13,980
filed the right to know request this is

1308
00:59:18,710 --> 00:59:16,680
a almost 30 year old case there's no way

1309
00:59:21,170 --> 00:59:18,720
they evaluated everything in their

1310
00:59:23,870 --> 00:59:21,180
possession and I don't believe that this

1311
00:59:28,789 --> 00:59:23,880
broad brush denial is either appropriate

1312
00:59:33,230 --> 00:59:30,950
um it is clear the denying agency here

1313
00:59:34,849 --> 00:59:33,240
wishes to withhold literally every

1314
00:59:36,829 --> 00:59:34,859
single thing in the case File this is

1315
00:59:39,109 --> 00:59:36,839
not appropriate in this instance nor is

1316
00:59:41,329 --> 00:59:39,119
it legal further are we the citizenry

1317
00:59:43,309 --> 00:59:41,339
supposed to just trust the denying

1318
00:59:45,829 --> 00:59:43,319
government agency attempting to withhold

1319
00:59:47,390 --> 00:59:45,839
information do we have no recourse when

1320
00:59:50,030 --> 00:59:47,400
it is clear they fail to properly

1321
00:59:52,730 --> 00:59:50,040
evaluate every bit of information in a

1322
00:59:55,910 --> 00:59:52,740
nearly 26 year old case File I hereby

1323
00:59:59,690 --> 00:59:55,920
request that the appeal appeal officer

1324
01:00:00,890 --> 00:59:59,700
research fully audit or evaluate all the

1325
01:00:02,690 --> 01:00:00,900
records and materials in their

1326
01:00:05,990 --> 01:00:02,700
possession of the District Attorney's

1327
01:00:09,049 --> 01:00:06,000
possession relevant to this case itemize

1328
01:00:10,370 --> 01:00:09,059
each item and prove exemptions are

1329
01:00:13,010 --> 01:00:10,380
appropriate

1330
01:00:14,329 --> 01:00:13,020
now you know some might say this is not

1331
01:00:17,569 --> 01:00:14,339
a very good argument they're not going

1332
01:00:20,450 --> 01:00:17,579
to do that but again this becomes public

1333
01:00:22,430 --> 01:00:20,460
record I'm asking them can you itemize

1334
01:00:24,530 --> 01:00:22,440
everything in your possession and the

1335
01:00:26,930 --> 01:00:24,540
burden of proof is on the denying agency

1336
01:00:29,630 --> 01:00:26,940
they have to prove that everything that

1337
01:00:31,970 --> 01:00:29,640
they're in possession of is exempt and I

1338
01:00:34,430 --> 01:00:31,980
hate to be sort of aggressive with this

1339
01:00:36,470 --> 01:00:34,440
uh appeal but I want to let them know

1340
01:00:38,930 --> 01:00:36,480
that you're not I'm not going away here

1341
01:00:42,109 --> 01:00:38,940
I'm not you know you're not just going

1342
01:00:45,829 --> 01:00:42,119
to say sorry we're keeping everything

1343
01:00:48,890 --> 01:00:45,839
and you can't have any information

1344
01:00:50,510 --> 01:00:48,900
I cite more case law and again this case

1345
01:00:52,309 --> 01:00:50,520
has been interesting to investigate

1346
01:00:54,289 --> 01:00:52,319
because suddenly I have to turn into a

1347
01:00:58,130 --> 01:00:54,299
lawyer and so and I had to find case law

1348
01:01:00,410 --> 01:00:58,140
to cite to argue why they have to do an

1349
01:01:01,490 --> 01:01:00,420
audit of the of all the materials in

1350
01:01:04,549 --> 01:01:01,500
their possession and apparently

1351
01:01:06,410 --> 01:01:04,559
according to the law they have to

1352
01:01:08,329 --> 01:01:06,420
um I cited this Pennsylvania law that

1353
01:01:10,309 --> 01:01:08,339
says an appeals officer is required to

1354
01:01:12,109 --> 01:01:10,319
review all information filed related to

1355
01:01:14,210 --> 01:01:12,119
the request and May considered testimony

1356
01:01:16,250 --> 01:01:14,220
evidence and documents that are

1357
01:01:18,829 --> 01:01:16,260
reasonable reasonably probative and

1358
01:01:20,990 --> 01:01:18,839
relevant to the matter at issue an

1359
01:01:23,809 --> 01:01:21,000
appeals officer May conduct a hearing to

1360
01:01:25,609 --> 01:01:23,819
resolve an appeal and here I say perhaps

1361
01:01:27,349 --> 01:01:25,619
an on the record public hearing on these

1362
01:01:29,089 --> 01:01:27,359
matters would be more appropriate but

1363
01:01:31,250 --> 01:01:29,099
that would should only take place after

1364
01:01:33,049 --> 01:01:31,260
the appeals officer has complied with

1365
01:01:34,730 --> 01:01:33,059
our request again I'm trying to push

1366
01:01:36,289 --> 01:01:34,740
them and I'm trying to make it really

1367
01:01:40,309 --> 01:01:36,299
difficult for them

1368
01:01:42,109 --> 01:01:40,319
to not give me some of this information

1369
01:01:44,329 --> 01:01:42,119
comply with our requests to properly

1370
01:01:46,190 --> 01:01:44,339
evaluate catalog and show legal costs

1371
01:01:48,230 --> 01:01:46,200
for each item in their possession

1372
01:01:51,109 --> 01:01:48,240
they intend to withhold from this legal

1373
01:01:53,690 --> 01:01:51,119
right to no request

1374
01:01:55,190 --> 01:01:53,700
yeah and again I cite the case law that

1375
01:01:56,510 --> 01:01:55,200
says this law is designed to promote

1376
01:01:59,030 --> 01:01:56,520
access to official government

1377
01:01:59,809 --> 01:01:59,040
information

1378
01:02:02,569 --> 01:01:59,819
um

1379
01:02:04,609 --> 01:02:02,579
I talk about how the time the time frame

1380
01:02:06,410 --> 01:02:04,619
from request to deny all the denying

1381
01:02:09,109 --> 01:02:06,420
agency did not actually go through all

1382
01:02:11,270 --> 01:02:09,119
the materials we we can assume they

1383
01:02:13,549 --> 01:02:11,280
didn't go through everything they have

1384
01:02:17,329 --> 01:02:13,559
another argument I made here is that

1385
01:02:20,030 --> 01:02:17,339
there is likely or has to be publicly

1386
01:02:21,049 --> 01:02:20,040
available information in their

1387
01:02:23,450 --> 01:02:21,059
possession

1388
01:02:26,809 --> 01:02:23,460
they had to have released press releases

1389
01:02:31,549 --> 01:02:26,819
in the past 26 years since this case

1390
01:02:34,250 --> 01:02:31,559
aired they have to have some publicly

1391
01:02:36,710 --> 01:02:34,260
available information in the Case Files

1392
01:02:39,770 --> 01:02:36,720
they can't just say we put it in our

1393
01:02:42,289 --> 01:02:39,780
case files you can't see anything they

1394
01:02:44,390 --> 01:02:42,299
have to go through and make sure that

1395
01:02:47,270 --> 01:02:44,400
every single thing in all of their

1396
01:02:49,910 --> 01:02:47,280
possession all of their case files every

1397
01:02:52,010 --> 01:02:49,920
single thing they have

1398
01:02:54,530 --> 01:02:52,020
they have to go through it all and they

1399
01:02:58,609 --> 01:02:54,540
have to prove why it's exempt from right

1400
01:03:01,789 --> 01:02:58,619
to no laws so essentially I'm attempting

1401
01:03:04,970 --> 01:03:01,799
to make it very difficult for them to

1402
01:03:06,410 --> 01:03:04,980
continue to deny me information

1403
01:03:08,569 --> 01:03:06,420
um

1404
01:03:12,349 --> 01:03:08,579
and let me see if there's some other

1405
01:03:14,750 --> 01:03:12,359
parts that will read off to you here

1406
01:03:16,190 --> 01:03:14,760
uh yeah and I also again trying to make

1407
01:03:17,870 --> 01:03:16,200
it hard for them I would like to

1408
01:03:19,549 --> 01:03:17,880
formally request the Warminster District

1409
01:03:21,589 --> 01:03:19,559
Attorney's research and release a

1410
01:03:23,990 --> 01:03:21,599
catalog of what the case File contains

1411
01:03:25,910 --> 01:03:24,000
and how they have determined improved

1412
01:03:28,250 --> 01:03:25,920
exemption for each item within the case

1413
01:03:30,109 --> 01:03:28,260
File if they cannot do this and prove

1414
01:03:32,030 --> 01:03:30,119
they did so proving exemptions for every

1415
01:03:34,490 --> 01:03:32,040
item they possess they have no choice

1416
01:03:36,470 --> 01:03:34,500
but to comply with my legal requests and

1417
01:03:38,089 --> 01:03:36,480
release every item in their possession

1418
01:03:39,890 --> 01:03:38,099
that they cannot clearly and

1419
01:03:43,130 --> 01:03:39,900
definitively prove is exempt from

1420
01:03:44,390 --> 01:03:43,140
Pennsylvania right to no laws either I

1421
01:03:46,190 --> 01:03:44,400
say case law that the District

1422
01:03:48,589 --> 01:03:46,200
Attorney's office is a local agency

1423
01:03:50,690 --> 01:03:48,599
subject to the right to know law and is

1424
01:03:52,910 --> 01:03:50,700
required to disclose public records

1425
01:03:55,190 --> 01:03:52,920
records in possession of a local agency

1426
01:03:57,349 --> 01:03:55,200
are presumed public unless exempt from

1427
01:03:59,690 --> 01:03:57,359
right to no law or other law or

1428
01:04:02,210 --> 01:03:59,700
protected by privilege judicial order or

1429
01:04:04,190 --> 01:04:02,220
decree upon receipt of a request an

1430
01:04:06,230 --> 01:04:04,200
agency is required to act assess whether

1431
01:04:08,150 --> 01:04:06,240
a record request is within its

1432
01:04:10,970 --> 01:04:08,160
possession custody or control and

1433
01:04:12,349 --> 01:04:10,980
respond within five business days and

1434
01:04:14,750 --> 01:04:12,359
here's where it gets important this is

1435
01:04:16,910 --> 01:04:14,760
more case law an agency Bears the burden

1436
01:04:19,430 --> 01:04:16,920
of providing the applicability of any

1437
01:04:21,410 --> 01:04:19,440
cited exemptions

1438
01:04:23,210 --> 01:04:21,420
um section 708 of the right to know law

1439
01:04:25,670 --> 01:04:23,220
places a burden of proof on a public

1440
01:04:27,589 --> 01:04:25,680
body to demonstrate that a record is

1441
01:04:30,049 --> 01:04:27,599
exempt and

1442
01:04:33,309 --> 01:04:30,059
here's where it gets important

1443
01:04:37,250 --> 01:04:33,319
let's say for example that they have

1444
01:04:39,589 --> 01:04:37,260
yearbook photos of the two victims in

1445
01:04:42,770 --> 01:04:39,599
the case File those are public records

1446
01:04:45,650 --> 01:04:42,780
those are not exempt from right to no

1447
01:04:47,150 --> 01:04:45,660
laws and I'm arguing here that merely

1448
01:04:49,670 --> 01:04:47,160
placing

1449
01:04:52,190 --> 01:04:49,680
publicly available records into this

1450
01:04:54,770 --> 01:04:52,200
case File does not automatically exempt

1451
01:04:56,809 --> 01:04:54,780
it from disclosure at least according to

1452
01:04:59,210 --> 01:04:56,819
everything that I've researched under

1453
01:05:01,670 --> 01:04:59,220
right to know laws so what are we doing

1454
01:05:04,730 --> 01:05:01,680
with this appeal number one we're

1455
01:05:07,069 --> 01:05:04,740
letting them know I'm not going away

1456
01:05:09,470 --> 01:05:07,079
I'm not going away I'm going to keep

1457
01:05:12,289 --> 01:05:09,480
harping on this we want to know what's

1458
01:05:15,650 --> 01:05:12,299
in these Case Files we want to know why

1459
01:05:18,710 --> 01:05:15,660
this case has not been solved in decades

1460
01:05:20,210 --> 01:05:18,720
we want to know what you're doing

1461
01:05:22,549 --> 01:05:20,220
lately

1462
01:05:24,950 --> 01:05:22,559
and we'll get into that because this

1463
01:05:27,950 --> 01:05:24,960
gets more interesting it gets more

1464
01:05:29,390 --> 01:05:27,960
interesting as we go

1465
01:05:33,589 --> 01:05:29,400
um

1466
01:05:40,329 --> 01:05:36,130
I have a little more to share with you

1467
01:05:45,410 --> 01:05:40,339
but what I can tell you is that we have

1468
01:05:49,190 --> 01:05:45,420
uh really hit a brick wall so far

1469
01:05:50,930 --> 01:05:49,200
uh yeah and we argue the burn of proof

1470
01:05:52,789 --> 01:05:50,940
is on the district attorney to prove

1471
01:05:55,910 --> 01:05:52,799
records do not exist they have failed to

1472
01:06:00,049 --> 01:05:55,920
do so the denying agency's reasons

1473
01:06:02,809 --> 01:06:00,059
so I've concede a few points which is uh

1474
01:06:04,849 --> 01:06:02,819
you know hey if if these things are

1475
01:06:07,970 --> 01:06:04,859
exempt from disclosure great but you

1476
01:06:08,809 --> 01:06:07,980
have to prove that every item is

1477
01:06:11,210 --> 01:06:08,819
um

1478
01:06:13,490 --> 01:06:11,220
and and I I end it with the questions

1479
01:06:15,710 --> 01:06:13,500
that I once answered which I was also

1480
01:06:18,109 --> 01:06:15,720
told I have to submit every question I

1481
01:06:20,930 --> 01:06:18,119
have in a formal right to know request

1482
01:06:23,210 --> 01:06:20,940
or repeal they will not answer any

1483
01:06:26,390 --> 01:06:23,220
question over the phone through email or

1484
01:06:28,910 --> 01:06:26,400
in person they will answer nothing about

1485
01:06:31,430 --> 01:06:28,920
this case you're not allowed to ask even

1486
01:06:34,370 --> 01:06:31,440
when's the last time an investigator

1487
01:06:37,970 --> 01:06:34,380
spent you know a few hours investigating

1488
01:06:39,829 --> 01:06:37,980
this case won't answer any questions and

1489
01:06:41,029 --> 01:06:39,839
so I'm left with an awful lot of

1490
01:06:43,250 --> 01:06:41,039
questions

1491
01:06:44,210 --> 01:06:43,260
um I closed this appeals letter with

1492
01:06:46,130 --> 01:06:44,220
saying

1493
01:06:48,710 --> 01:06:46,140
it is clear that no one in your office

1494
01:06:50,630 --> 01:06:48,720
actually evaluated every item in your

1495
01:06:52,190 --> 01:06:50,640
office is in possession of it's clear

1496
01:06:54,049 --> 01:06:52,200
you have not proven every item you

1497
01:06:55,789 --> 01:06:54,059
possess qualifies for the exemptions you

1498
01:06:58,490 --> 01:06:55,799
cited in your initial denial to release

1499
01:07:00,650 --> 01:06:58,500
again the placement of information into

1500
01:07:02,510 --> 01:07:00,660
a police investigative report or into

1501
01:07:05,329 --> 01:07:02,520
the District Attorney's Office files

1502
01:07:07,970 --> 01:07:05,339
does not automatically exempt all of it

1503
01:07:09,770 --> 01:07:07,980
from public release or right to no laws

1504
01:07:10,970 --> 01:07:09,780
I also wish to put on record that I

1505
01:07:13,250 --> 01:07:10,980
believe that District Attorney's office

1506
01:07:15,349 --> 01:07:13,260
is refusing release of Records because

1507
01:07:17,809 --> 01:07:15,359
of serious questions in this case that

1508
01:07:20,510 --> 01:07:17,819
their office so far refuses to answer

1509
01:07:22,430 --> 01:07:20,520
when was the DNA evidence in this case

1510
01:07:25,069 --> 01:07:22,440
determined to be no longer relevant to

1511
01:07:28,609 --> 01:07:25,079
the case how was that determination made

1512
01:07:30,710 --> 01:07:28,619
by whom and by what methods was a

1513
01:07:33,529 --> 01:07:30,720
genetic profile ever developed from the

1514
01:07:36,650 --> 01:07:33,539
DNA evidence was a match ever found to

1515
01:07:38,990 --> 01:07:36,660
the DNA do people often leave earrings

1516
01:07:41,390 --> 01:07:39,000
with Blood and Tissue samples on them at

1517
01:07:44,510 --> 01:07:41,400
the site of a double homicide that are

1518
01:07:47,390 --> 01:07:44,520
not relevant to the homicide case why

1519
01:07:49,849 --> 01:07:47,400
did it take 25 years to determine that

1520
01:07:52,309 --> 01:07:49,859
the DNA evidence or earring found at the

1521
01:07:53,690 --> 01:07:52,319
scene was not relevant to this double

1522
01:07:57,710 --> 01:07:53,700
homicide

1523
01:08:00,650 --> 01:07:57,720
was a DNA profile if one was developed

1524
01:08:04,370 --> 01:08:00,660
or a DNA sample from that earring ever

1525
01:08:06,770 --> 01:08:04,380
submitted to a genetic DNA database

1526
01:08:11,990 --> 01:08:06,780
such as the one used in the Golden State

1527
01:08:16,309 --> 01:08:14,630
the Warminster uh attorneys District

1528
01:08:18,650 --> 01:08:16,319
Attorney's Office must now choose

1529
01:08:20,570 --> 01:08:18,660
transparency or continuous secrecy about

1530
01:08:22,610 --> 01:08:20,580
this case they must choose to do what is

1531
01:08:24,289 --> 01:08:22,620
best for the public good the victims and

1532
01:08:26,870 --> 01:08:24,299
their families or do what is best for

1533
01:08:29,150 --> 01:08:26,880
them personally I trust your office will

1534
01:08:30,950 --> 01:08:29,160
reevaluate their earlier denial of my

1535
01:08:34,669 --> 01:08:30,960
right to know requests and make the

1536
01:08:36,169 --> 01:08:34,679
right choice Sincerely Me investigative

1537
01:08:37,970 --> 01:08:36,179
journalist

1538
01:08:39,669 --> 01:08:37,980
so

1539
01:08:43,249 --> 01:08:39,679
it gets better

1540
01:08:47,150 --> 01:08:43,259
they have so far not

1541
01:08:48,709 --> 01:08:47,160
replied to the appeal and I thought that

1542
01:08:51,590 --> 01:08:48,719
they were in violation of the law

1543
01:08:54,229 --> 01:08:51,600
because five days had elapsed and they

1544
01:08:58,430 --> 01:08:54,239
had not responded to the appeal but

1545
01:08:59,090 --> 01:08:58,440
apparently they have 30 days and so

1546
01:09:03,229 --> 01:08:59,100
um

1547
01:09:06,229 --> 01:09:03,239
if if we check the date of uh

1548
01:09:10,010 --> 01:09:06,239
let me check the date November 28th is

1549
01:09:13,130 --> 01:09:10,020
the date of the appeal that I filed

1550
01:09:16,849 --> 01:09:13,140
and again what we're building here is

1551
01:09:18,410 --> 01:09:16,859
our own case File our own

1552
01:09:20,570 --> 01:09:18,420
paper trail

1553
01:09:23,450 --> 01:09:20,580
which anybody else will be able to

1554
01:09:25,729 --> 01:09:23,460
access I'm developing a website where

1555
01:09:28,550 --> 01:09:25,739
we'll be sharing every scrap of

1556
01:09:32,930 --> 01:09:28,560
information about this case publicly to

1557
01:09:35,709 --> 01:09:32,940
the to the web for anyone to be able to

1558
01:09:39,289 --> 01:09:35,719
participate with now it gets

1559
01:09:40,550 --> 01:09:39,299
things get better here it gets gets a

1560
01:09:43,070 --> 01:09:40,560
little crazy

1561
01:09:45,650 --> 01:09:43,080
so after the right to know requests I go

1562
01:09:47,870 --> 01:09:45,660
back to the communications guy at the

1563
01:09:49,970 --> 01:09:47,880
Warminster District Attorney's office by

1564
01:09:52,070 --> 01:09:49,980
the way I'm a nice guy I let him know

1565
01:09:54,650 --> 01:09:52,080
that I appealed their denial I sent him

1566
01:09:56,330 --> 01:09:54,660
a copy of the denial in case he or the

1567
01:09:58,729 --> 01:09:56,340
district attorney

1568
01:10:01,490 --> 01:09:58,739
you know wanted to read my appeal I'm

1569
01:10:05,870 --> 01:10:01,500
trying to give this these people

1570
01:10:08,510 --> 01:10:05,880
the benefit of the doubt I'm trying to

1571
01:10:14,750 --> 01:10:11,270
I'm trying to at least be friendly with

1572
01:10:16,550 --> 01:10:14,760
them they may have very good reasons and

1573
01:10:20,450 --> 01:10:16,560
I want to be very clear here in that I

1574
01:10:22,430 --> 01:10:20,460
think by and large I live here the

1575
01:10:25,010 --> 01:10:22,440
police here do a great job the district

1576
01:10:28,490 --> 01:10:25,020
attorney does a great job this is the

1577
01:10:31,370 --> 01:10:28,500
most crime-free place that I have ever

1578
01:10:33,530 --> 01:10:31,380
lived in my entire life remember I grew

1579
01:10:35,810 --> 01:10:33,540
up in Philadelphia some would say in the

1580
01:10:38,350 --> 01:10:35,820
Mean Streets of Philadelphia I lived in

1581
01:10:40,850 --> 01:10:38,360
some shady places where there was

1582
01:10:43,189 --> 01:10:40,860
crackheads and drug dealers living next

1583
01:10:44,930 --> 01:10:43,199
door to me and people knocking on my

1584
01:10:47,510 --> 01:10:44,940
door at three o'clock in the morning

1585
01:10:51,110 --> 01:10:47,520
trying to buy meth they wanted the house

1586
01:10:53,330 --> 01:10:51,120
next to me who sold the math you know so

1587
01:10:55,070 --> 01:10:53,340
I I have no problem with the local

1588
01:10:57,110 --> 01:10:55,080
authorities here

1589
01:11:00,709 --> 01:10:57,120
I think they do an incredibly good job

1590
01:11:02,570 --> 01:11:00,719
and this is a very difficult case

1591
01:11:03,830 --> 01:11:02,580
very little evidence

1592
01:11:05,330 --> 01:11:03,840
and

1593
01:11:08,689 --> 01:11:05,340
um

1594
01:11:12,649 --> 01:11:08,699
but I still I thought

1595
01:11:15,169 --> 01:11:12,659
rather naively going into this I thought

1596
01:11:17,330 --> 01:11:15,179
I could I could do something here maybe

1597
01:11:18,950 --> 01:11:17,340
I could develop some new leads maybe I

1598
01:11:21,410 --> 01:11:18,960
could look at things a different way

1599
01:11:23,390 --> 01:11:21,420
than other investigators with the police

1600
01:11:24,530 --> 01:11:23,400
or the district attorney have looked at

1601
01:11:26,870 --> 01:11:24,540
them

1602
01:11:29,630 --> 01:11:26,880
I have an uncanny ability to see through

1603
01:11:31,130 --> 01:11:29,640
deception due to my some of my

1604
01:11:34,669 --> 01:11:31,140
experience

1605
01:11:35,450 --> 01:11:34,679
I'm excellent at uncovering things that

1606
01:11:38,209 --> 01:11:35,460
people

1607
01:11:40,010 --> 01:11:38,219
don't want to be uncovered I'm excellent

1608
01:11:42,050 --> 01:11:40,020
at finding

1609
01:11:44,090 --> 01:11:42,060
hidden information

1610
01:11:47,149 --> 01:11:44,100
that the people hiding that information

1611
01:11:48,709 --> 01:11:47,159
would prefer stay hidden I'm great at

1612
01:11:52,070 --> 01:11:48,719
that

1613
01:11:54,590 --> 01:11:52,080
I was rather naive going into this

1614
01:11:57,709 --> 01:11:54,600
and I cannot tell you how disappointed I

1615
01:12:01,270 --> 01:11:57,719
am with the results of my so-called

1616
01:12:05,209 --> 01:12:01,280
investigation so far because

1617
01:12:08,090 --> 01:12:05,219
right now I am limited to whatever I can

1618
01:12:10,610 --> 01:12:08,100
find on the internet or whatever local

1619
01:12:12,410 --> 01:12:10,620
people will tell me I've begun

1620
01:12:14,090 --> 01:12:12,420
interviewing some people who were

1621
01:12:17,330 --> 01:12:14,100
somewhat familiar with the case or the

1622
01:12:19,910 --> 01:12:17,340
victim's families I've got boards and uh

1623
01:12:22,850 --> 01:12:19,920
over here on the wall I'm going to be

1624
01:12:24,590 --> 01:12:22,860
doing a victimology study on both of the

1625
01:12:27,050 --> 01:12:24,600
victims I want to know everything that I

1626
01:12:29,390 --> 01:12:27,060
can about both those two men

1627
01:12:30,830 --> 01:12:29,400
that may help me

1628
01:12:35,870 --> 01:12:30,840
to

1629
01:12:38,149 --> 01:12:35,880
done this now let's talk about some

1630
01:12:41,630 --> 01:12:38,159
elements of the case before we end with

1631
01:12:44,330 --> 01:12:41,640
or you know what I'll uh we'll we'll go

1632
01:12:53,090 --> 01:12:44,340
to this uh

1633
01:12:57,950 --> 01:12:55,550
all right and and like I said here is

1634
01:13:01,010 --> 01:12:57,960
where it gets interesting

1635
01:13:02,209 --> 01:13:01,020
um so I go back to the director of

1636
01:13:03,890 --> 01:13:02,219
communications at the District

1637
01:13:06,530 --> 01:13:03,900
Attorney's office

1638
01:13:08,390 --> 01:13:06,540
after suddenly realizing that they are

1639
01:13:11,090 --> 01:13:08,400
stonewalling I mean that's the only term

1640
01:13:12,410 --> 01:13:11,100
I can use they won't answer a single

1641
01:13:16,910 --> 01:13:12,420
question

1642
01:13:18,890 --> 01:13:16,920
past so this is curious to me why won't

1643
01:13:21,530 --> 01:13:18,900
they answer any questions about this

1644
01:13:23,470 --> 01:13:21,540
case now but they used to answer

1645
01:13:25,970 --> 01:13:23,480
questions and anybody in the media

1646
01:13:28,370 --> 01:13:25,980
newspaper writer whoever could call them

1647
01:13:31,850 --> 01:13:28,380
up and they would answer questions

1648
01:13:35,270 --> 01:13:31,860
at least I'm assuming so unless every uh

1649
01:13:37,430 --> 01:13:35,280
newspaper writer and television media

1650
01:13:38,870 --> 01:13:37,440
person every member of the media has

1651
01:13:40,510 --> 01:13:38,880
just been repeating the same old

1652
01:13:43,070 --> 01:13:40,520
information for

1653
01:13:45,229 --> 01:13:43,080
decades and now

1654
01:13:46,610 --> 01:13:45,239
um there was quotes in some of them from

1655
01:13:48,590 --> 01:13:46,620
the District Attorney's office or

1656
01:13:49,729 --> 01:13:48,600
somebody from the police they were

1657
01:13:51,410 --> 01:13:49,739
talking

1658
01:13:54,169 --> 01:13:51,420
and they would talk to members of the

1659
01:13:57,709 --> 01:13:54,179
media recently about this case

1660
01:13:58,850 --> 01:13:57,719
uh through its whole history until right

1661
01:14:02,030 --> 01:13:58,860
now

1662
01:14:03,649 --> 01:14:02,040
and so I'm left with more questions than

1663
01:14:07,610 --> 01:14:03,659
answers

1664
01:14:11,149 --> 01:14:07,620
um and you know I don't know

1665
01:14:15,530 --> 01:14:11,159
well we have a game plan

1666
01:14:17,810 --> 01:14:15,540
um for why we will be we do have a game

1667
01:14:21,290 --> 01:14:17,820
plan and and I'm going to be developing

1668
01:14:25,729 --> 01:14:21,300
that game plan and trying to

1669
01:14:27,830 --> 01:14:25,739
make progress and I have decided a lot

1670
01:14:30,709 --> 01:14:27,840
of you know this about me

1671
01:14:33,950 --> 01:14:30,719
I'm at all chips in kind of a guy right

1672
01:14:36,770 --> 01:14:33,960
to use a poker analogy I'm all chips in

1673
01:14:39,290 --> 01:14:36,780
on this one I'm gonna do whatever I have

1674
01:14:40,790 --> 01:14:39,300
to do to investigate this case and if

1675
01:14:42,709 --> 01:14:40,800
the Warminster District Attorney's

1676
01:14:46,010 --> 01:14:42,719
Office the Warminster Police Department

1677
01:14:47,209 --> 01:14:46,020
don't want to be at all helpful I'll do

1678
01:14:50,209 --> 01:14:47,219
it on my own

1679
01:14:52,790 --> 01:14:50,219
I'll find out what I can on my own and

1680
01:14:55,070 --> 01:14:52,800
we'll move forward with as complete and

1681
01:14:58,130 --> 01:14:55,080
thorough as an investigation of this

1682
01:15:00,290 --> 01:14:58,140
case as I can reasonably provide without

1683
01:15:02,149 --> 01:15:00,300
the cooperation of authorities and

1684
01:15:04,310 --> 01:15:02,159
that's unfortunate because we're going

1685
01:15:06,530 --> 01:15:04,320
to have to retread all kinds of

1686
01:15:08,750 --> 01:15:06,540
different Avenues about this case that

1687
01:15:10,610 --> 01:15:08,760
they've already explored and eliminated

1688
01:15:13,729 --> 01:15:10,620
as possibilities

1689
01:15:16,729 --> 01:15:13,739
right all right so uh let's get into

1690
01:15:20,390 --> 01:15:16,739
this communications director

1691
01:15:22,010 --> 01:15:20,400
and here's where things went South as I

1692
01:15:23,870 --> 01:15:22,020
was initially told that I could get an

1693
01:15:26,450 --> 01:15:23,880
interview by the communications director

1694
01:15:29,209 --> 01:15:26,460
he says Mr cambian the district attorney

1695
01:15:31,490 --> 01:15:29,219
is not taking part in any interview on

1696
01:15:32,689 --> 01:15:31,500
this case oh he's doing interviews all

1697
01:15:34,490 --> 01:15:32,699
right you want to interview him about

1698
01:15:36,830 --> 01:15:34,500
others

1699
01:15:40,130 --> 01:15:36,840
you can get an interview but he will not

1700
01:15:41,990 --> 01:15:40,140
do interviews on this case

1701
01:15:43,430 --> 01:15:42,000
then the communications director says

1702
01:15:45,950 --> 01:15:43,440
your other questions were addressed in

1703
01:15:47,330 --> 01:15:45,960
the right to know request and appeal and

1704
01:15:49,910 --> 01:15:47,340
I said

1705
01:15:51,590 --> 01:15:49,920
no some questions were asked in my right

1706
01:15:53,630 --> 01:15:51,600
to no request but no answers were

1707
01:15:56,090 --> 01:15:53,640
provided by your office so far I have

1708
01:15:57,890 --> 01:15:56,100
asked you multiple times now for the

1709
01:15:59,149 --> 01:15:57,900
names here's another important I want

1710
01:16:00,950 --> 01:15:59,159
the names of the investigative

1711
01:16:02,570 --> 01:16:00,960
detectives from your office of the

1712
01:16:03,709 --> 01:16:02,580
Warminster Police Department Pastor

1713
01:16:07,850 --> 01:16:03,719
present

1714
01:16:11,270 --> 01:16:07,860
many of them may be retired this is a

1715
01:16:13,070 --> 01:16:11,280
decades-old case could be there could be

1716
01:16:15,830 --> 01:16:13,080
a detective out there right in my local

1717
01:16:18,530 --> 01:16:15,840
area who studied this case for 10 or

1718
01:16:20,930 --> 01:16:18,540
more years and was never able to solve

1719
01:16:22,729 --> 01:16:20,940
it but is a wealth of information about

1720
01:16:25,189 --> 01:16:22,739
this case and what has been done so far

1721
01:16:26,930 --> 01:16:25,199
I want the name of that guy I want to

1722
01:16:29,330 --> 01:16:26,940
find him I want to

1723
01:16:30,470 --> 01:16:29,340
meet him I want to talk to him I want to

1724
01:16:32,330 --> 01:16:30,480
interview him

1725
01:16:33,770 --> 01:16:32,340
I want to know everything I can about

1726
01:16:36,050 --> 01:16:33,780
this case

1727
01:16:38,270 --> 01:16:36,060
they won't give me the names of the

1728
01:16:39,950 --> 01:16:38,280
investigative detectives from their

1729
01:16:41,270 --> 01:16:39,960
office or the Warminster Police

1730
01:16:43,189 --> 01:16:41,280
Department

1731
01:16:45,590 --> 01:16:43,199
I said I try to ask Warminster Police

1732
01:16:47,570 --> 01:16:45,600
Department but they never answered the

1733
01:16:49,729 --> 01:16:47,580
phone I have left several messages with

1734
01:16:52,610 --> 01:16:49,739
no reply and here's where it gets even

1735
01:16:54,470 --> 01:16:52,620
interesting I asked for copies of press

1736
01:16:57,229 --> 01:16:54,480
releases

1737
01:17:00,250 --> 01:16:57,239
and their communications director he

1738
01:17:03,649 --> 01:17:00,260
says I do not have any past news relay

1739
01:17:06,649 --> 01:17:03,659
releases related to this case folks

1740
01:17:09,070 --> 01:17:06,659
press releases are a normal thing there

1741
01:17:11,630 --> 01:17:09,080
has to be some sort of press release

1742
01:17:14,330 --> 01:17:11,640
within their office they won't even give

1743
01:17:16,189 --> 01:17:14,340
me public press releases

1744
01:17:17,630 --> 01:17:16,199
that they have released in the past

1745
01:17:19,370 --> 01:17:17,640
about this case

1746
01:17:20,810 --> 01:17:19,380
they say I may want to try the police

1747
01:17:22,550 --> 01:17:20,820
department if they send out anything

1748
01:17:25,010 --> 01:17:22,560
during the course of the investigation

1749
01:17:26,750 --> 01:17:25,020
and if they have would have copies to

1750
01:17:28,250 --> 01:17:26,760
release to you and we're on that we're

1751
01:17:30,830 --> 01:17:28,260
failing and again we have to fill out

1752
01:17:32,570 --> 01:17:30,840
right to know requests why because the

1753
01:17:34,430 --> 01:17:32,580
local police department doesn't answer

1754
01:17:36,890 --> 01:17:34,440
the phone or return any phone calls

1755
01:17:40,189 --> 01:17:36,900
about this case

1756
01:17:44,630 --> 01:17:42,290
as far as the past and present

1757
01:17:46,370 --> 01:17:44,640
detectives investigating this case that

1758
01:17:48,470 --> 01:17:46,380
should have been addressed in your right

1759
01:17:49,430 --> 01:17:48,480
to know request

1760
01:17:52,790 --> 01:17:49,440
foreign

1761
01:17:54,350 --> 01:17:52,800
I asked him uh I'm not trying to be

1762
01:17:56,330 --> 01:17:54,360
difficult here but for a communications

1763
01:17:57,950 --> 01:17:56,340
director you seem to have problems

1764
01:18:00,470 --> 01:17:57,960
communicating it is a very simple

1765
01:18:02,510 --> 01:18:00,480
request please let me know if you can

1766
01:18:05,090 --> 01:18:02,520
forward me copies of press release and

1767
01:18:06,890 --> 01:18:05,100
if not why and then again he claims that

1768
01:18:10,669 --> 01:18:06,900
he has none

1769
01:18:11,810 --> 01:18:10,679
uh it it just gets it gets worse and

1770
01:18:14,990 --> 01:18:11,820
worse from here

1771
01:18:19,070 --> 01:18:15,000
we can't get an interview

1772
01:18:21,290 --> 01:18:19,080
um it's it's it's bad so then there is

1773
01:18:24,470 --> 01:18:21,300
the matter of then the communications

1774
01:18:27,169 --> 01:18:24,480
director essentially tells me

1775
01:18:29,870 --> 01:18:27,179
I'm not answering any questions our

1776
01:18:34,010 --> 01:18:29,880
office is not answering any questions

1777
01:18:36,649 --> 01:18:34,020
you need to file a right to know request

1778
01:18:38,990 --> 01:18:36,659
with any questions that you have and any

1779
01:18:41,330 --> 01:18:39,000
sites some sort of law

1780
01:18:43,189 --> 01:18:41,340
there is no law that prevents a

1781
01:18:44,810 --> 01:18:43,199
communications director to my knowledge

1782
01:18:46,010 --> 01:18:44,820
of answering questions maybe certain

1783
01:18:47,990 --> 01:18:46,020
questions

1784
01:18:49,910 --> 01:18:48,000
but the fact that he won't answer any

1785
01:18:54,290 --> 01:18:49,920
questions about this

1786
01:18:56,930 --> 01:18:54,300
is it's very it's very troubling

1787
01:19:00,649 --> 01:18:56,940
um one more thing to share that is very

1788
01:19:06,890 --> 01:19:03,590
where I was told

1789
01:19:09,890 --> 01:19:06,900
that I have to answer ask questions and

1790
01:19:13,189 --> 01:19:09,900
write to no requests and folks usually

1791
01:19:14,630 --> 01:19:13,199
this is not how this works you don't

1792
01:19:16,370 --> 01:19:14,640
fill out a right to no request because

1793
01:19:18,830 --> 01:19:16,380
you have a question you ask the

1794
01:19:21,229 --> 01:19:18,840
communications director whose job it is

1795
01:19:23,090 --> 01:19:21,239
to interact with members of the media

1796
01:19:26,030 --> 01:19:23,100
and answer questions

1797
01:19:27,850 --> 01:19:26,040
say Mr games no I didn't ask those

1798
01:19:30,290 --> 01:19:27,860
questions about who the investigation

1799
01:19:32,810 --> 01:19:30,300
detectives were am I right to know

1800
01:19:34,790 --> 01:19:32,820
request I asked you directly

1801
01:19:36,530 --> 01:19:34,800
are you now telling me I need to fill

1802
01:19:38,030 --> 01:19:36,540
out separate rights and Noble quests to

1803
01:19:40,669 --> 01:19:38,040
get you to answer a very simple and

1804
01:19:42,709 --> 01:19:40,679
direct question who are the detectives

1805
01:19:43,910 --> 01:19:42,719
handling the case currently who are the

1806
01:19:46,130 --> 01:19:43,920
detectives who handled the case

1807
01:19:47,930 --> 01:19:46,140
previously again I have tried to call

1808
01:19:49,669 --> 01:19:47,940
the Warminster Police Department but

1809
01:19:52,189 --> 01:19:49,679
their non-emergency number is always a

1810
01:19:53,990 --> 01:19:52,199
voicemail or no answer I have kept the

1811
01:19:55,850 --> 01:19:54,000
detailed call log again we're

1812
01:19:58,430 --> 01:19:55,860
documenting everything I have left

1813
01:20:00,229 --> 01:19:58,440
several messages no return calls if you

1814
01:20:01,310 --> 01:20:00,239
insist I will send another right to know

1815
01:20:05,510 --> 01:20:01,320
request

1816
01:20:07,930 --> 01:20:05,520
records not simple questions that a

1817
01:20:10,550 --> 01:20:07,940
public agency usually just answers

1818
01:20:12,470 --> 01:20:10,560
especially when they use taxpayer

1819
01:20:14,750 --> 01:20:12,480
dollars this is kind of a dig at him

1820
01:20:17,090 --> 01:20:14,760
I'll admit it especially when they use

1821
01:20:19,430 --> 01:20:17,100
taxpayer dollars to employ a full-time

1822
01:20:21,350 --> 01:20:19,440
communications director at least that

1823
01:20:22,910 --> 01:20:21,360
has been my experience with other cities

1824
01:20:24,950 --> 01:20:22,920
or towns

1825
01:20:27,709 --> 01:20:24,960
here that the the communications

1826
01:20:29,689 --> 01:20:27,719
director says I would suggest you do

1827
01:20:31,430 --> 01:20:29,699
that in other words I have to fill out a

1828
01:20:33,470 --> 01:20:31,440
right to know request for every question

1829
01:20:35,990 --> 01:20:33,480
I have under the criminal history

1830
01:20:37,430 --> 01:20:36,000
records information act we are

1831
01:20:39,590 --> 01:20:37,440
prohibited from releasing most

1832
01:20:42,530 --> 01:20:39,600
investigative information about this

1833
01:20:45,169 --> 01:20:42,540
case but again they can ignore that law

1834
01:20:47,350 --> 01:20:45,179
to select members of the media whenever

1835
01:20:49,370 --> 01:20:47,360
they choose to in this case is

1836
01:20:51,830 --> 01:20:49,380
decades-long history

1837
01:20:53,689 --> 01:20:51,840
so again they're using the law to Shield

1838
01:20:55,610 --> 01:20:53,699
them from having to disclose any

1839
01:20:58,189 --> 01:20:55,620
information while at the same time

1840
01:20:59,390 --> 01:20:58,199
ignoring the very same law whenever they

1841
01:21:01,850 --> 01:20:59,400
choose to

1842
01:21:03,770 --> 01:21:01,860
I can't just simply give you that

1843
01:21:07,729 --> 01:21:03,780
information our right to know attorneys

1844
01:21:10,610 --> 01:21:07,739
would have to review your request so

1845
01:21:14,149 --> 01:21:10,620
I did what he asked for and now I am

1846
01:21:17,149 --> 01:21:14,159
going to become uh quite the pain to

1847
01:21:23,090 --> 01:21:20,750
all right so I've now I have filed two

1848
01:21:25,310 --> 01:21:23,100
additional right to know requests uh do

1849
01:21:26,870 --> 01:21:25,320
we see where this is going friends do

1850
01:21:28,910 --> 01:21:26,880
you think they're figuring out that I'm

1851
01:21:32,510 --> 01:21:28,920
not going away

1852
01:21:35,810 --> 01:21:32,520
all right

1853
01:21:35,820 --> 01:21:39,470
one second

1854
01:21:48,590 --> 01:21:41,870
now would be a good time for redactions

1855
01:21:54,649 --> 01:21:51,050
let me figure out how to do this here

1856
01:21:58,970 --> 01:21:57,169
I mean it doesn't really matter uh I've

1857
01:22:00,970 --> 01:21:58,980
been docked so many times everybody has

1858
01:22:03,470 --> 01:22:00,980
my phone number anyway right

1859
01:22:05,570 --> 01:22:03,480
it calls from some strange people

1860
01:22:09,709 --> 01:22:05,580
sometimes uh

1861
01:22:15,590 --> 01:22:12,770
all right so I say I'm an investigative

1862
01:22:19,370 --> 01:22:15,600
journalist this is to

1863
01:22:21,470 --> 01:22:19,380
um this is to d a right to know who is

1864
01:22:24,050 --> 01:22:21,480
the man who denied our original right to

1865
01:22:26,090 --> 01:22:24,060
know request and here I am back

1866
01:22:27,770 --> 01:22:26,100
recently I asked your offices

1867
01:22:29,870 --> 01:22:27,780
communications director some questions

1868
01:22:32,689 --> 01:22:29,880
about the case he has now indicated that

1869
01:22:35,450 --> 01:22:32,699
I need to file right to no requests for

1870
01:22:37,189 --> 01:22:35,460
questions I have see exhibit a attached

1871
01:22:39,530 --> 01:22:37,199
see how official I am I gave him

1872
01:22:41,330 --> 01:22:39,540
screenshot copy of their communications

1873
01:22:43,550 --> 01:22:41,340
director telling me I have to fill out

1874
01:22:45,770 --> 01:22:43,560
right to no requests for every question

1875
01:22:47,570 --> 01:22:45,780
your communications director has refused

1876
01:22:49,790 --> 01:22:47,580
to answer many basic questions about the

1877
01:22:51,350 --> 01:22:49,800
case and as indicated is now saying I

1878
01:22:53,630 --> 01:22:51,360
should file right to know requests for

1879
01:22:55,790 --> 01:22:53,640
my questions so consider this my right

1880
01:22:58,070 --> 01:22:55,800
to know request as he directed I am

1881
01:23:00,410 --> 01:22:58,080
forwarding you the questions he did not

1882
01:23:02,630 --> 01:23:00,420
or claimed he could not answer specific

1883
01:23:04,310 --> 01:23:02,640
to the earring and DNA found in the

1884
01:23:06,649 --> 01:23:04,320
initial investigation

1885
01:23:09,830 --> 01:23:06,659
and again I'm establishing a paper trail

1886
01:23:11,450 --> 01:23:09,840
I ask these questions in my appeal to

1887
01:23:13,370 --> 01:23:11,460
the original right to know request but

1888
01:23:15,050 --> 01:23:13,380
I'm filing a separate one and they're

1889
01:23:17,570 --> 01:23:15,060
going to have to deal with it

1890
01:23:19,790 --> 01:23:17,580
can you uh in a recent interview

1891
01:23:21,770 --> 01:23:19,800
district attorney Matthew D Weintraub

1892
01:23:23,510 --> 01:23:21,780
stated that the earring in this case was

1893
01:23:25,970 --> 01:23:23,520
excluded from being relevant to the case

1894
01:23:27,950 --> 01:23:25,980
when was this determination made

1895
01:23:29,750 --> 01:23:27,960
can you I should have numbered these but

1896
01:23:30,410 --> 01:23:29,760
I did for the second request

1897
01:23:32,330 --> 01:23:30,420
um

1898
01:23:34,669 --> 01:23:32,340
can you confirm or deny there was Blood

1899
01:23:37,610 --> 01:23:34,679
and Tissue samples found on the earring

1900
01:23:40,430 --> 01:23:37,620
originally in 1993 was that blood or

1901
01:23:43,189 --> 01:23:40,440
tissue used to extract DNA from

1902
01:23:46,189 --> 01:23:43,199
was there a DNA match to someone who was

1903
01:23:47,750 --> 01:23:46,199
then cleared if so who was the match how

1904
01:23:49,250 --> 01:23:47,760
was it determined that the earring and

1905
01:23:51,470 --> 01:23:49,260
therefore the Blood and Tissue samples

1906
01:23:53,810 --> 01:23:51,480
from the earring were not related to the

1907
01:23:56,149 --> 01:23:53,820
case when was that determination made

1908
01:23:58,070 --> 01:23:56,159
can you provide a timeline of these

1909
01:24:00,590 --> 01:23:58,080
events if that determination was just

1910
01:24:02,810 --> 01:24:00,600
made recently why did it take almost 30

1911
01:24:05,930 --> 01:24:02,820
years to get to that determination

1912
01:24:07,669 --> 01:24:05,940
yeah you know to be very honest I think

1913
01:24:09,590 --> 01:24:07,679
that

1914
01:24:12,350 --> 01:24:09,600
part of their refusal to answer these

1915
01:24:13,970 --> 01:24:12,360
questions may have to do with the simple

1916
01:24:17,149 --> 01:24:13,980
embarrassment

1917
01:24:20,689 --> 01:24:17,159
it should not have taken 20 something

1918
01:24:23,270 --> 01:24:20,699
years to determine that that DNA was not

1919
01:24:24,590 --> 01:24:23,280
relevant to the case and again I'm still

1920
01:24:26,149 --> 01:24:24,600
going to ask this very important

1921
01:24:29,750 --> 01:24:26,159
question

1922
01:24:32,450 --> 01:24:29,760
how is an earring with Blood and Tissue

1923
01:24:33,830 --> 01:24:32,460
on it left at the scene of a double

1924
01:24:35,870 --> 01:24:33,840
homicide

1925
01:24:37,010 --> 01:24:35,880
but you the authorities say well it's

1926
01:24:39,290 --> 01:24:37,020
not relevant

1927
01:24:40,490 --> 01:24:39,300
they need to answer the question then

1928
01:24:43,850 --> 01:24:40,500
how

1929
01:24:46,370 --> 01:24:43,860
not relevant

1930
01:24:47,810 --> 01:24:46,380
I go on to ask was a DNA profile ever

1931
01:24:50,390 --> 01:24:47,820
extracted from the Blood and Tissue

1932
01:24:52,850 --> 01:24:50,400
samples was that DNA profile submitted

1933
01:24:54,890 --> 01:24:52,860
to CODIS or any other DNA database for

1934
01:24:57,110 --> 01:24:54,900
matching what were the results were the

1935
01:24:58,970 --> 01:24:57,120
blood tissue samples preserved are they

1936
01:25:01,490 --> 01:24:58,980
available for further testing matching

1937
01:25:03,890 --> 01:25:01,500
or genealogical DNA matching

1938
01:25:06,050 --> 01:25:03,900
as was shown to be effective in

1939
01:25:08,689 --> 01:25:06,060
identifying the perpetrator in the

1940
01:25:10,729 --> 01:25:08,699
Golden State killer case

1941
01:25:13,010 --> 01:25:10,739
I will have different questions I will

1942
01:25:14,450 --> 01:25:13,020
try to categorize those and send them in

1943
01:25:16,310 --> 01:25:14,460
different requests thank you in advance

1944
01:25:18,770 --> 01:25:16,320
for your prompt attention to my request

1945
01:25:21,530 --> 01:25:18,780
so now there's going to be a paper trail

1946
01:25:23,510 --> 01:25:21,540
of me asking these questions

1947
01:25:26,930 --> 01:25:23,520
and they're going to have to

1948
01:25:28,790 --> 01:25:26,940
tell the public we're not answering any

1949
01:25:30,290 --> 01:25:28,800
of these questions

1950
01:25:32,990 --> 01:25:30,300
and I think that's going to be very

1951
01:25:36,709 --> 01:25:33,000
problematic for them

1952
01:25:39,830 --> 01:25:36,719
it's I can't imagine of course the next

1953
01:25:41,689 --> 01:25:39,840
step here if they deny the appeal that

1954
01:25:43,970 --> 01:25:41,699
I've already filed and if they deny

1955
01:25:45,709 --> 01:25:43,980
these right to know requests and refuse

1956
01:25:47,870 --> 01:25:45,719
to answer these questions the very next

1957
01:25:49,130 --> 01:25:47,880
step is to file against them in Common

1958
01:25:52,070 --> 01:25:49,140
Pleas Court

1959
01:25:54,649 --> 01:25:52,080
and argue there for release of this

1960
01:25:56,750 --> 01:25:54,659
information and to get a judge to force

1961
01:25:58,370 --> 01:25:56,760
them to release these records to get a

1962
01:25:59,750 --> 01:25:58,380
judge to force them to answer these

1963
01:26:02,689 --> 01:25:59,760
questions

1964
01:26:05,570 --> 01:26:02,699
but I'm hesitant to do that

1965
01:26:08,090 --> 01:26:05,580
and not because uh of the difficulty in

1966
01:26:10,129 --> 01:26:08,100
doing it it is a difficult thing filing

1967
01:26:11,689 --> 01:26:10,139
all that legal paperwork yes I'm willing

1968
01:26:15,110 --> 01:26:11,699
to do it

1969
01:26:17,390 --> 01:26:15,120
but most of me thinks that the District

1970
01:26:19,790 --> 01:26:17,400
Attorney's office has a relationship

1971
01:26:22,250 --> 01:26:19,800
with every judge in my area they all

1972
01:26:24,530 --> 01:26:22,260
know each other it's a big club and I

1973
01:26:28,129 --> 01:26:24,540
ain't in it they all play golf together

1974
01:26:30,290 --> 01:26:28,139
at a golf course for a few miles from my

1975
01:26:32,149 --> 01:26:30,300
house they all know each other have

1976
01:26:35,149 --> 01:26:32,159
known each other for years

1977
01:26:37,850 --> 01:26:35,159
so I have little confidence that a judge

1978
01:26:39,410 --> 01:26:37,860
will be fair and impartial here

1979
01:26:42,709 --> 01:26:39,420
should the District Attorney's office

1980
01:26:45,169 --> 01:26:42,719
have to answer questions about DNA

1981
01:26:48,709 --> 01:26:45,179
evidence that every news article

1982
01:26:50,689 --> 01:26:48,719
mentioned for 20 plus years that said

1983
01:26:52,729 --> 01:26:50,699
was ripped from the ear of one of the

1984
01:26:53,870 --> 01:26:52,739
killers and now suddenly as of last year

1985
01:26:55,669 --> 01:26:53,880
they say

1986
01:26:57,830 --> 01:26:55,679
we we eliminated that that's not

1987
01:26:59,810 --> 01:26:57,840
relevant but now they don't want to

1988
01:27:01,910 --> 01:26:59,820
answer questions about how they

1989
01:27:04,669 --> 01:27:01,920
eliminated that as being relevant to the

1990
01:27:06,830 --> 01:27:04,679
case about if they got DNA matches about

1991
01:27:09,950 --> 01:27:06,840
who the match was did they submit to

1992
01:27:12,830 --> 01:27:09,960
CODIS did they get any familial matches

1993
01:27:14,270 --> 01:27:12,840
these are very important questions and

1994
01:27:16,430 --> 01:27:14,280
an agency

1995
01:27:18,890 --> 01:27:16,440
of the government should have to answer

1996
01:27:21,229 --> 01:27:18,900
them I feel very very strongly about

1997
01:27:23,149 --> 01:27:21,239
that so strongly in fact that if I have

1998
01:27:25,790 --> 01:27:23,159
to file a Common Police Court and take

1999
01:27:28,669 --> 01:27:25,800
another loss I'm going to do it

2000
01:27:34,790 --> 01:27:32,689
for the victims and their families

2001
01:27:36,890 --> 01:27:34,800
I'm going to do it

2002
01:27:39,290 --> 01:27:36,900
to let these people in the government

2003
01:27:40,550 --> 01:27:39,300
know that they should be held

2004
01:27:42,890 --> 01:27:40,560
accountable

2005
01:27:45,229 --> 01:27:42,900
for

2006
01:27:47,090 --> 01:27:45,239
everything in this case

2007
01:27:49,669 --> 01:27:47,100
and again

2008
01:27:52,910 --> 01:27:49,679
I think we have to be very fair

2009
01:27:55,610 --> 01:27:52,920
to these police and this local

2010
01:27:57,709 --> 01:27:55,620
district attorney

2011
01:28:00,709 --> 01:27:57,719
but they seem to have this elitist

2012
01:28:04,430 --> 01:28:00,719
attitude that you

2013
01:28:07,910 --> 01:28:04,440
don't have a right to know you are a

2014
01:28:09,590 --> 01:28:07,920
peasant and we are the ruling class and

2015
01:28:11,090 --> 01:28:09,600
even though we haven't solved this case

2016
01:28:13,550 --> 01:28:11,100
and you

2017
01:28:16,629 --> 01:28:13,560
Steve cambium may be very well in

2018
01:28:19,850 --> 01:28:16,639
possession of resources time

2019
01:28:23,390 --> 01:28:19,860
investigative skill proven track record

2020
01:28:25,610 --> 01:28:23,400
of good investigative skill and access

2021
01:28:28,430 --> 01:28:25,620
to retired police officers and

2022
01:28:30,229 --> 01:28:28,440
detectives and I may

2023
01:28:32,689 --> 01:28:30,239
stress the word may but I believe it's

2024
01:28:35,270 --> 01:28:32,699
it's a definite possibility that sounds

2025
01:28:37,310 --> 01:28:35,280
weird definite possibility I always hate

2026
01:28:39,950 --> 01:28:37,320
it when people said that

2027
01:28:43,790 --> 01:28:39,960
um it's a possibility that I may have

2028
01:28:47,090 --> 01:28:43,800
access to a retired FBI profiler

2029
01:28:49,310 --> 01:28:47,100
who will go through the case with me and

2030
01:28:52,669 --> 01:28:49,320
help us develop a profile

2031
01:28:55,430 --> 01:28:52,679
of who the likely killer or Killers is

2032
01:28:58,790 --> 01:28:55,440
likely to be it will narrow the search

2033
01:29:01,070 --> 01:28:58,800
pool for potential perpetrators it would

2034
01:29:03,290 --> 01:29:01,080
be very helpful by the way one of the

2035
01:29:04,729 --> 01:29:03,300
other questions I asked that they won't

2036
01:29:07,129 --> 01:29:04,739
answer is

2037
01:29:08,330 --> 01:29:07,139
have you reached out to the FBI

2038
01:29:10,550 --> 01:29:08,340
have you

2039
01:29:12,410 --> 01:29:10,560
ask them to develop a profile of the

2040
01:29:15,110 --> 01:29:12,420
killer which may help or Aid in the

2041
01:29:17,270 --> 01:29:15,120
investigation no we won't answer that

2042
01:29:20,270 --> 01:29:17,280
question and

2043
01:29:23,209 --> 01:29:20,280
it is so frustrating that I'm sitting

2044
01:29:26,149 --> 01:29:23,219
here and I'm sure especially if I had

2045
01:29:29,390 --> 01:29:26,159
more information to give this retired

2046
01:29:31,669 --> 01:29:29,400
FBI profiler we could get a profile we

2047
01:29:34,070 --> 01:29:31,679
could develop a profile and if that's

2048
01:29:36,770 --> 01:29:34,080
something that they've never done and I

2049
01:29:39,770 --> 01:29:36,780
can get it done but they want to hold

2050
01:29:42,290 --> 01:29:39,780
these records and not release them for

2051
01:29:43,430 --> 01:29:42,300
whatever reason

2052
01:29:46,490 --> 01:29:43,440
um

2053
01:29:49,850 --> 01:29:46,500
it's sad and I'm sad for the victims and

2054
01:29:51,530 --> 01:29:49,860
I'm sad for the victims families I'm a

2055
01:29:54,350 --> 01:29:51,540
father myself

2056
01:29:55,970 --> 01:29:54,360
and I think about every day now since

2057
01:29:58,250 --> 01:29:55,980
I've taken this case on I have thought

2058
01:29:59,870 --> 01:29:58,260
about how horrific it is

2059
01:30:02,390 --> 01:29:59,880
or must be

2060
01:30:04,129 --> 01:30:02,400
for the victims families

2061
01:30:07,010 --> 01:30:04,139
to not know

2062
01:30:09,290 --> 01:30:07,020
who did this to their children to their

2063
01:30:14,750 --> 01:30:09,300
sons to not know

2064
01:30:19,250 --> 01:30:16,370
it is

2065
01:30:22,370 --> 01:30:19,260
a tragedy to lose

2066
01:30:25,250 --> 01:30:22,380
a child but it's even more tragic when

2067
01:30:29,149 --> 01:30:25,260
that child was taken from you through

2068
01:30:34,669 --> 01:30:32,410
I said that I thought I could perhaps

2069
01:30:37,430 --> 01:30:34,679
make a difference here I thought I could

2070
01:30:41,450 --> 01:30:37,440
do something I thought I could apply my

2071
01:30:43,669 --> 01:30:41,460
skills and I'm willing to dedicate a

2072
01:30:45,770 --> 01:30:43,679
great deal of my time to doing this time

2073
01:30:47,629 --> 01:30:45,780
is our most valuable resource but I feel

2074
01:30:50,810 --> 01:30:47,639
so strongly

2075
01:30:51,770 --> 01:30:50,820
about this case

2076
01:30:54,890 --> 01:30:51,780
um

2077
01:30:57,290 --> 01:30:54,900
something hit me when I went to see the

2078
01:30:59,330 --> 01:30:57,300
location of the Murder By the way it's

2079
01:31:01,250 --> 01:30:59,340
no longer a West Coast video as you all

2080
01:31:03,610 --> 01:31:01,260
know West Coast video and Blockbuster

2081
01:31:05,270 --> 01:31:03,620
and all video stores are gone

2082
01:31:07,970 --> 01:31:05,280
but

2083
01:31:10,070 --> 01:31:07,980
I was able to see the building

2084
01:31:13,129 --> 01:31:10,080
and it has now been split into two

2085
01:31:16,430 --> 01:31:13,139
separate stores a framing store where

2086
01:31:19,930 --> 01:31:16,440
you go and get a picture framed and a

2087
01:31:26,510 --> 01:31:24,290
the framing store knew nothing about the

2088
01:31:28,910 --> 01:31:26,520
case at all and they'd only been there I

2089
01:31:31,310 --> 01:31:28,920
think six or seven years I'm still

2090
01:31:33,649 --> 01:31:31,320
reaching out to the marine recruiter

2091
01:31:36,290 --> 01:31:33,659
hopefully I don't end up in green

2092
01:31:38,950 --> 01:31:36,300
fatigues anytime soon from my encounter

2093
01:31:42,590 --> 01:31:38,960
with him but now I'm going there because

2094
01:31:46,129 --> 01:31:42,600
I believe that the location of the

2095
01:31:48,350 --> 01:31:46,139
actual murder is in what is now the

2096
01:31:49,729 --> 01:31:48,360
Marine recruiting

2097
01:31:52,310 --> 01:31:49,739
Center

2098
01:31:54,229 --> 01:31:52,320
and I want to stand there and I want to

2099
01:31:56,450 --> 01:31:54,239
see it and I want to

2100
01:31:58,310 --> 01:31:56,460
see if they know anything

2101
01:32:00,290 --> 01:31:58,320
there are some people at that shopping

2102
01:32:02,750 --> 01:32:00,300
center that have been there since the

2103
01:32:04,189 --> 01:32:02,760
murder I'm told specifically the cleaner

2104
01:32:05,870 --> 01:32:04,199
there's a cleaner there you know where

2105
01:32:08,270 --> 01:32:05,880
you take your suits or dresses to be

2106
01:32:11,709 --> 01:32:08,280
cleaned and pressed I'm gonna reach out

2107
01:32:14,830 --> 01:32:11,719
to them and interview them or try to

2108
01:32:17,930 --> 01:32:14,840
like I said I kind of struck out so far

2109
01:32:22,129 --> 01:32:17,940
but I have

2110
01:32:23,510 --> 01:32:22,139
sort of made up my mind that I'm not

2111
01:32:28,790 --> 01:32:23,520
going to stop

2112
01:32:34,430 --> 01:32:32,870
um they they quit not me I think it's

2113
01:32:36,770 --> 01:32:34,440
important enough to the victims and

2114
01:32:37,729 --> 01:32:36,780
their families that somebody advocate

2115
01:32:39,470 --> 01:32:37,739
for them

2116
01:32:42,590 --> 01:32:39,480
when's the last time that somebody

2117
01:32:44,629 --> 01:32:42,600
started asking these police and these

2118
01:32:46,490 --> 01:32:44,639
District Attorney's office people what

2119
01:32:49,250 --> 01:32:46,500
are you doing to solve this case let's

2120
01:32:50,930 --> 01:32:49,260
get this case off for the family

2121
01:32:53,930 --> 01:32:50,940
I don't think anybody's done that in a

2122
01:32:57,169 --> 01:32:53,940
decade for for these victims or their

2123
01:32:58,550 --> 01:32:57,179
families and I'm told I haven't met or

2124
01:33:00,229 --> 01:32:58,560
interviewed them

2125
01:33:03,410 --> 01:33:00,239
in person

2126
01:33:05,390 --> 01:33:03,420
but I'm told that the victims families

2127
01:33:08,450 --> 01:33:05,400
are not even getting updates or caring

2128
01:33:10,250 --> 01:33:08,460
to get updates from the authorities uh

2129
01:33:13,129 --> 01:33:10,260
for many years now

2130
01:33:17,870 --> 01:33:13,139
and that's very very sad

2131
01:33:23,149 --> 01:33:20,570
so we're going to take some comments and

2132
01:33:26,149 --> 01:33:23,159
questions from the live chat I want to

2133
01:33:27,709 --> 01:33:26,159
welcome you all and remind you uh if

2134
01:33:30,110 --> 01:33:27,719
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2135
01:33:32,510 --> 01:33:30,120
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01:33:38,090 --> 01:33:32,520
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2137
01:33:40,910 --> 01:33:38,100
series getting away with murder and uh

2138
01:33:42,970 --> 01:33:40,920
this of course is about the tragic case

2139
01:33:46,850 --> 01:33:42,980
of Sean Campbell and Brian Benson

2140
01:33:51,169 --> 01:33:46,860
murdered in 1993 November 10th case

2141
01:33:52,970 --> 01:33:51,179
still not solved uh also we will be

2142
01:33:55,610 --> 01:33:52,980
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2143
01:33:57,649 --> 01:33:55,620
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01:36:36,229 --> 01:36:34,320
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01:36:38,030 --> 01:36:36,239
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01:36:58,729 --> 01:36:55,260
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Seekers sorry I am late we'll start

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01:39:36,410 --> 01:39:34,440
watching from the start now and thank

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01:39:41,330 --> 01:39:36,420
you for being here reload and that's

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01:39:43,310 --> 01:39:41,340
what uh the replays are for

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01:39:46,129 --> 01:39:43,320
um

2271
01:39:49,850 --> 01:39:46,139
uh Aaron Flores uh quoting back to me

2272
01:39:52,550 --> 01:39:49,860
some song lyrics that I love uh from

2273
01:39:55,430 --> 01:39:52,560
uh is that to Dreaming or is that

2274
01:39:57,410 --> 01:39:55,440
Stabbing Westward uh in any case I love

2275
01:39:58,850 --> 01:39:57,420
it either way Aaron Flores says what do

2276
01:40:01,070 --> 01:39:58,860
you want from me nothing is ever right

2277
01:40:02,750 --> 01:40:01,080
nothing I do is ever good for you I'm

2278
01:40:07,990 --> 01:40:02,760
sick of trying what do you want from me

2279
01:40:13,430 --> 01:40:10,430
Patty Wilhelm is here and says I'm in

2280
01:40:16,550 --> 01:40:13,440
Florida in the film flim-flam State I've

2281
01:40:19,430 --> 01:40:16,560
seen it all here it's the Wild Wild West

2282
01:40:22,790 --> 01:40:19,440
uh Aaron Flores says yes the dreaming I

2283
01:40:25,370 --> 01:40:22,800
believe that you are correct uh so

2284
01:40:27,830 --> 01:40:25,380
what do you guys think does anybody have

2285
01:40:31,910 --> 01:40:27,840
any ideas maybe we can use the show here

2286
01:40:35,149 --> 01:40:31,920
as a collective a hive mind to figure

2287
01:40:36,950 --> 01:40:35,159
out what we should do next I am stuck in

2288
01:40:39,410 --> 01:40:36,960
place filling out right to no requests

2289
01:40:41,030 --> 01:40:39,420
for every single question that I have

2290
01:40:43,010 --> 01:40:41,040
uh but I'm gonna start hitting the

2291
01:40:44,750 --> 01:40:43,020
pavement because I think that would be

2292
01:40:46,790 --> 01:40:44,760
very effective it's a lot harder to say

2293
01:40:48,590 --> 01:40:46,800
you ever notice it's a lot harder to say

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01:40:51,110 --> 01:40:48,600
no to somebody when they're right in

2295
01:40:53,990 --> 01:40:51,120
your face right you ever notice that

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01:40:56,270 --> 01:40:54,000
it's hard it's harder at least to just

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01:40:58,370 --> 01:40:56,280
brush somebody off when they're standing

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01:41:00,530 --> 01:40:58,380
right in front of your face so I'm going

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to the Warminster Police Department and

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01:41:05,330 --> 01:41:03,000
I'm going to start asking around there

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01:41:07,010 --> 01:41:05,340
maybe there'll be a little more

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01:41:09,530 --> 01:41:07,020
forthcoming so far most of my

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01:41:11,390 --> 01:41:09,540
interactions have been with the District

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01:41:14,450 --> 01:41:11,400
Attorney's office and I get it they're a

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01:41:17,689 --> 01:41:14,460
bunch of lawyers right cops you know my

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01:41:21,229 --> 01:41:17,699
father's one of my father's best friends

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01:41:22,970 --> 01:41:21,239
growing up was a cop their regular

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01:41:24,709 --> 01:41:22,980
working guys and I think I would get

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01:41:27,050 --> 01:41:24,719
along better with them than

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01:41:29,510 --> 01:41:27,060
some of the lawyer types so we're gonna

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01:41:31,370 --> 01:41:29,520
we're gonna move forward with our

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01:41:33,050 --> 01:41:31,380
investigation and I'm gonna take you

2313
01:41:36,709 --> 01:41:33,060
with me

2314
01:41:39,709 --> 01:41:36,719
when there's an update

2315
01:41:43,250 --> 01:41:39,719
to the investigation that's worthy of

2316
01:41:46,729 --> 01:41:43,260
dedicating a show to we'll talk about it

2317
01:41:48,229 --> 01:41:46,739
um I'm gonna keep collecting and sharing

2318
01:41:52,070 --> 01:41:48,239
every single thing

2319
01:41:53,990 --> 01:41:52,080
that I can collect about this case uh I

2320
01:41:56,810 --> 01:41:54,000
believe that the case is or should be

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01:42:00,229 --> 01:41:56,820
solvable in fact I believe every case is

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01:42:02,990 --> 01:42:00,239
or should be solvable right

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01:42:05,090 --> 01:42:03,000
uh yeah B Baker says this reminds me a

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01:42:07,970 --> 01:42:05,100
lot of the local cover-up in

2325
01:42:10,310 --> 01:42:07,980
the JonBenet Ramsey case it's way easier

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01:42:12,590 --> 01:42:10,320
to be corrupt in a small town

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01:42:15,910 --> 01:42:12,600
well I you know I don't want to go so

2328
01:42:19,910 --> 01:42:15,920
far as to say cover-up but it is

2329
01:42:23,570 --> 01:42:19,920
troubling right it is troubling that

2330
01:42:26,390 --> 01:42:23,580
they will not answer any questions and

2331
01:42:28,790 --> 01:42:26,400
and why is it that they will answer

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01:42:31,729 --> 01:42:28,800
questions to

2333
01:42:34,129 --> 01:42:31,739
other members of the media up until now

2334
01:42:36,470 --> 01:42:34,139
and I'm told by several people locally

2335
01:42:38,510 --> 01:42:36,480
that as soon as that information dropped

2336
01:42:40,490 --> 01:42:38,520
that the earring was no longer relevant

2337
01:42:42,129 --> 01:42:40,500
to the case

2338
01:42:45,169 --> 01:42:42,139
they clamped up

2339
01:42:47,629 --> 01:42:45,179
a broad brush denial we can't answer

2340
01:42:49,669 --> 01:42:47,639
questions ongoing investigation by the

2341
01:42:51,830 --> 01:42:49,679
way the local police and the district

2342
01:42:53,930 --> 01:42:51,840
attorney both confirmed for me that this

2343
01:42:57,410 --> 01:42:53,940
is still an open and ongoing

2344
01:42:59,629 --> 01:42:57,420
investigation but don't bother to ask

2345
01:43:02,629 --> 01:42:59,639
them who's investigating it you're not

2346
01:43:05,149 --> 01:43:02,639
allowed to know don't bother asking them

2347
01:43:07,729 --> 01:43:05,159
what are you doing to investigate the

2348
01:43:09,709 --> 01:43:07,739
case how much time are you spending or

2349
01:43:11,450 --> 01:43:09,719
is a detective spending every week I

2350
01:43:13,609 --> 01:43:11,460
think these are important questions that

2351
01:43:17,209 --> 01:43:13,619
public officials should have to answer

2352
01:43:19,669 --> 01:43:17,219
and I don't want to get

2353
01:43:22,490 --> 01:43:19,679
I don't want to get adversarial with the

2354
01:43:25,490 --> 01:43:22,500
local authorities my chances of success

2355
01:43:28,910 --> 01:43:25,500
or having some good impact on this case

2356
01:43:31,609 --> 01:43:28,920
are much better if they're friendly

2357
01:43:33,530 --> 01:43:31,619
towards me and my efforts and my ability

2358
01:43:36,649 --> 01:43:33,540
to perhaps

2359
01:43:39,709 --> 01:43:36,659
generate more leads or something more

2360
01:43:42,649 --> 01:43:39,719
evidence for them is much better if if

2361
01:43:45,830 --> 01:43:42,659
they're friendly you know so I'm trying

2362
01:43:49,010 --> 01:43:45,840
my very best I I did I can't lie I threw

2363
01:43:51,470 --> 01:43:49,020
a few Digs at them like you oh in one of

2364
01:43:53,750 --> 01:43:51,480
the emails I didn't share I said you

2365
01:43:56,330 --> 01:43:53,760
guys have to give me something here this

2366
01:43:59,030 --> 01:43:56,340
is how conspiracy theories start and I

2367
01:44:02,750 --> 01:43:59,040
believe that you can't just refuse to

2368
01:44:05,030 --> 01:44:02,760
answer any and all questions relating to

2369
01:44:07,430 --> 01:44:05,040
and besides that it's such an old case

2370
01:44:10,510 --> 01:44:07,440
what harm can come from talking about

2371
01:44:13,930 --> 01:44:10,520
leads that were

2372
01:44:16,550 --> 01:44:13,940
eliminated as possibilities in the case

2373
01:44:17,689 --> 01:44:16,560
what what harm could really come from

2374
01:44:20,930 --> 01:44:17,699
that

2375
01:44:22,910 --> 01:44:20,940
you know I just I don't understand how

2376
01:44:24,709 --> 01:44:22,920
this is a problem I just don't get it

2377
01:44:26,030 --> 01:44:24,719
right

2378
01:44:27,649 --> 01:44:26,040
but

2379
01:44:30,530 --> 01:44:27,659
any more questions or comments for me

2380
01:44:33,169 --> 01:44:30,540
please put them in all capital letters

2381
01:44:35,209 --> 01:44:33,179
Aaron Flores says we had a quadruple

2382
01:44:36,770 --> 01:44:35,219
homicide on campus three weeks ago here

2383
01:44:38,090 --> 01:44:36,780
at the University of Idaho like two

2384
01:44:40,609 --> 01:44:38,100
minutes from my house they still haven't

2385
01:44:43,729 --> 01:44:40,619
solved it yes I'm following that case or

2386
01:44:46,550 --> 01:44:43,739
I just started following that case Aaron

2387
01:44:48,830 --> 01:44:46,560
um that's pretty interesting case I mean

2388
01:44:51,830 --> 01:44:48,840
somebody came in and killed four people

2389
01:44:54,109 --> 01:44:51,840
at once uh this case is

2390
01:44:58,550 --> 01:44:54,119
just as terrible though somebody came in

2391
01:45:02,149 --> 01:45:00,709
Patty wilham Stephen at a certain point

2392
01:45:04,910 --> 01:45:02,159
when you don't get help from the local

2393
01:45:07,030 --> 01:45:04,920
level go to the state attorney

2394
01:45:08,770 --> 01:45:07,040
um yeah actually

2395
01:45:11,330 --> 01:45:08,780
Patty

2396
01:45:13,729 --> 01:45:11,340
that's on my list of things to do

2397
01:45:16,930 --> 01:45:13,739
because if the local district attorney

2398
01:45:19,550 --> 01:45:16,940
once I have exhausted all local options

2399
01:45:21,290 --> 01:45:19,560
then I could start filing right to know

2400
01:45:22,490 --> 01:45:21,300
requests with the state district

2401
01:45:24,830 --> 01:45:22,500
attorney

2402
01:45:27,530 --> 01:45:24,840
who is then going to have to and then we

2403
01:45:29,390 --> 01:45:27,540
start all over again but does anybody

2404
01:45:31,250 --> 01:45:29,400
else think it's kind of ridiculous that

2405
01:45:33,350 --> 01:45:31,260
I should have to spin my wheels filing

2406
01:45:35,390 --> 01:45:33,360
paperwork constantly just to get

2407
01:45:39,530 --> 01:45:35,400
government officials to answer very

2408
01:45:43,370 --> 01:45:39,540
simple direct basic questions about a

2409
01:45:45,890 --> 01:45:43,380
many years old Cold Case

2410
01:45:47,870 --> 01:45:45,900
um and I hate that term Cold Case you

2411
01:45:49,189 --> 01:45:47,880
know it's not cold to the victims

2412
01:45:53,030 --> 01:45:49,199
families

2413
01:45:54,290 --> 01:45:53,040
it's still very real it's still here you

2414
01:45:56,890 --> 01:45:54,300
know

2415
01:45:59,570 --> 01:45:56,900
I would think that their anguish over

2416
01:46:01,850 --> 01:45:59,580
the lack of Justice brought to their

2417
01:46:03,950 --> 01:46:01,860
family members doesn't get better over

2418
01:46:05,810 --> 01:46:03,960
the time it's just getting worse for

2419
01:46:08,689 --> 01:46:05,820
them

2420
01:46:12,709 --> 01:46:10,850
B Baker says when you make requests

2421
01:46:14,149 --> 01:46:12,719
about the DNA and I will also specified

2422
01:46:16,010 --> 01:46:14,159
to see if there's been work to do

2423
01:46:17,510 --> 01:46:16,020
familial match and genealogical

2424
01:46:19,129 --> 01:46:17,520
databases

2425
01:46:21,169 --> 01:46:19,139
B Baker

2426
01:46:24,050 --> 01:46:21,179
maybe you weren't paying attention I

2427
01:46:26,229 --> 01:46:24,060
read that I did I I asked specifically

2428
01:46:29,810 --> 01:46:26,239
in my right to know request if they had

2429
01:46:30,890 --> 01:46:29,820
submitted to CODIS or any other DNA

2430
01:46:33,590 --> 01:46:30,900
database

2431
01:46:37,490 --> 01:46:33,600
did they get a familial match

2432
01:46:38,830 --> 01:46:37,500
uh Tony V says I'm a mean one I don't

2433
01:46:41,689 --> 01:46:38,840
think about that

2434
01:46:43,970 --> 01:46:41,699
Stephen on the scene reports

2435
01:46:46,189 --> 01:46:43,980
of them all in a Jordan neighborhood

2436
01:46:47,930 --> 01:46:46,199
would be awesome I'm gonna do it I'm

2437
01:46:50,629 --> 01:46:47,940
gonna do it

2438
01:46:52,310 --> 01:46:50,639
yes but that becomes a little awkward

2439
01:46:53,870 --> 01:46:52,320
because it's such an old case and here's

2440
01:46:55,790 --> 01:46:53,880
some weird guy knocking on your door

2441
01:46:57,890 --> 01:46:55,800
asking if you remember the murder across

2442
01:47:00,169 --> 01:46:57,900
the street but it's worth it's worth

2443
01:47:01,609 --> 01:47:00,179
trying like I said I'm I'm really gonna

2444
01:47:05,390 --> 01:47:01,619
hit the pavement

2445
01:47:08,990 --> 01:47:05,400
and uh try to go out in person

2446
01:47:11,090 --> 01:47:09,000
um and and see what I can find out

2447
01:47:13,609 --> 01:47:11,100
as man says it would just keep burning

2448
01:47:16,850 --> 01:47:13,619
away with no closure yeah I agree with

2449
01:47:20,450 --> 01:47:16,860
you 100 right

2450
01:47:25,129 --> 01:47:23,270
Amy Collins on the scene reports do a

2451
01:47:27,290 --> 01:47:25,139
drive past the old Mullen neighborhood

2452
01:47:29,030 --> 01:47:27,300
it's a mile from my house I go there

2453
01:47:31,970 --> 01:47:29,040
every week Amy Collins that's how I

2454
01:47:34,189 --> 01:47:31,980
found out about this case somebody was

2455
01:47:36,649 --> 01:47:34,199
talking about this case like

2456
01:47:39,470 --> 01:47:36,659
around November 10th

2457
01:47:41,390 --> 01:47:39,480
and I heard them say yeah it's shame

2458
01:47:42,590 --> 01:47:41,400
they never saw that double murder it

2459
01:47:46,790 --> 01:47:42,600
happened right here in this shopping

2460
01:47:48,310 --> 01:47:46,800
center and I went what a double murder

2461
01:47:51,470 --> 01:47:48,320
um and then I started

2462
01:47:53,930 --> 01:47:51,480
finding out more about the case

2463
01:47:53,940 --> 01:48:03,290
yeah

2464
01:48:08,149 --> 01:48:05,930
okay

2465
01:48:16,149 --> 01:48:08,159
as man says it would just keep burning

2466
01:48:21,410 --> 01:48:18,649
it should be some pause for requests

2467
01:48:24,649 --> 01:48:21,420
where people will do DDOS oh I don't

2468
01:48:29,090 --> 01:48:27,590
all right great pattiam Wilhelm says

2469
01:48:31,310 --> 01:48:29,100
stay on the broadcast media human

2470
01:48:33,050 --> 01:48:31,320
interest story

2471
01:48:35,570 --> 01:48:33,060
um I am definitely going to continue to

2472
01:48:37,850 --> 01:48:35,580
follow up with the story I'm not sure

2473
01:48:40,370 --> 01:48:37,860
what else can be done but I'm going to

2474
01:48:42,890 --> 01:48:40,380
exhaust every possibility before

2475
01:48:45,649 --> 01:48:42,900
you know I don't give up easy you guys

2476
01:48:47,450 --> 01:48:45,659
know that and and once I'm dug into a

2477
01:48:50,689 --> 01:48:47,460
case I keep digging and digging and

2478
01:48:55,910 --> 01:48:54,070
Amy Collins says a mile away

2479
01:48:58,250 --> 01:48:55,920
part of me

2480
01:49:01,250 --> 01:48:58,260
wow local True Crime and feeling

2481
01:49:04,250 --> 01:49:01,260
including Philly I think it would be a

2482
01:49:05,209 --> 01:49:04,260
hit yeah and um my flock is everywhere

2483
01:49:07,189 --> 01:49:05,219
says

2484
01:49:09,169 --> 01:49:07,199
great show

2485
01:49:10,910 --> 01:49:09,179
Tony B holding down the Facebook live

2486
01:49:12,290 --> 01:49:10,920
chat says awesome show I have so many

2487
01:49:15,590 --> 01:49:12,300
questions for you don't know where to

2488
01:49:17,030 --> 01:49:15,600
start keep it up well thanks Tony B and

2489
01:49:19,910 --> 01:49:17,040
I want to thank each and every one of

2490
01:49:22,250 --> 01:49:19,920
you uh for being here I know this isn't

2491
01:49:25,070 --> 01:49:22,260
our usual wheelhouse but this case is

2492
01:49:26,209 --> 01:49:25,080
just something that has become quickly

2493
01:49:28,370 --> 01:49:26,219
become

2494
01:49:32,390 --> 01:49:28,380
important to me and we're going to be

2495
01:49:35,209 --> 01:49:32,400
doing more updates about this and uh I I

2496
01:49:38,870 --> 01:49:35,219
realize however we certainly take a hit

2497
01:49:40,790 --> 01:49:38,880
in the numbers and I don't really care

2498
01:49:43,370 --> 01:49:40,800
um I'm gonna continue to investigate

2499
01:49:46,910 --> 01:49:43,380
this case and report on it

2500
01:49:48,950 --> 01:49:46,920
can't stay in one small subject matter

2501
01:49:52,189 --> 01:49:48,960
it'll drive you crazy

2502
01:49:53,689 --> 01:49:52,199
it will really drive you crazy and this

2503
01:49:55,669 --> 01:49:53,699
has been

2504
01:49:59,090 --> 01:49:55,679
something different for me to

2505
01:50:02,270 --> 01:50:00,770
can you imagine Stephen if you made

2506
01:50:04,970 --> 01:50:02,280
progress how that would have such a

2507
01:50:07,970 --> 01:50:04,980
massive psychological lift like an anvil

2508
01:50:09,470 --> 01:50:07,980
off their backs admirable well it's a

2509
01:50:13,729 --> 01:50:09,480
lot of pressure now now I'm starting to

2510
01:50:17,330 --> 01:50:13,739
feel pressure to produce right but

2511
01:50:20,090 --> 01:50:17,340
thank you for your kind words uh Patty

2512
01:50:22,070 --> 01:50:20,100
says I'm a fighter too served me well

2513
01:50:24,890 --> 01:50:22,080
in government

2514
01:50:27,890 --> 01:50:24,900
interesting well

2515
01:50:29,330 --> 01:50:27,900
I for one am very glad

2516
01:50:31,430 --> 01:50:29,340
I was looking around for some liquid

2517
01:50:37,250 --> 01:50:31,440
here

2518
01:50:41,090 --> 01:50:39,109
oh now I got it

2519
01:50:44,209 --> 01:50:41,100
okay good I'm good I'm sorry friends I

2520
01:50:46,010 --> 01:50:44,219
have a tickle in my throat

2521
01:50:48,649 --> 01:50:46,020
let's hope it's just to tickle and not

2522
01:50:51,050 --> 01:50:48,659
out sickle you know

2523
01:50:54,050 --> 01:50:51,060
nothing to make you sick

2524
01:50:55,850 --> 01:50:54,060
so

2525
01:50:58,070 --> 01:50:55,860
what can I say friends

2526
01:50:59,510 --> 01:50:58,080
um we have done our due diligence we

2527
01:51:02,570 --> 01:50:59,520
have begun

2528
01:51:06,229 --> 01:51:02,580
taking steps and investigating this case

2529
01:51:11,330 --> 01:51:08,930
to take step steps to investigate this

2530
01:51:13,970 --> 01:51:11,340
case and I hope that you will join me

2531
01:51:15,770 --> 01:51:13,980
this is going to be quite a journey

2532
01:51:17,750 --> 01:51:15,780
um I never investigated something so

2533
01:51:20,090 --> 01:51:17,760
serious and I feel a serious

2534
01:51:23,689 --> 01:51:20,100
responsibility to do

2535
01:51:26,149 --> 01:51:23,699
a good job doing it and I intend to do

2536
01:51:29,510 --> 01:51:26,159
my very best

2537
01:51:32,450 --> 01:51:29,520
so friends that's all we got for you for

2538
01:51:33,890 --> 01:51:32,460
tonight uh tomorrow we'll be back at 9

2539
01:51:35,510 --> 01:51:33,900
00 PM eastern time with a very special

2540
01:51:37,910 --> 01:51:35,520
interview for you

2541
01:51:40,550 --> 01:51:37,920
uh which I'm sure that you're going to

2542
01:51:41,810 --> 01:51:40,560
enjoy especially if your conspiracy

2543
01:51:43,850 --> 01:51:41,820
minded

2544
01:51:47,090 --> 01:51:43,860
so back to conspiracy land tomorrow

2545
01:51:49,010 --> 01:51:47,100
night we go 9 p.m eastern time I want to

2546
01:51:51,169 --> 01:51:49,020
thank all of you for joining us across

2547
01:51:54,169 --> 01:51:51,179
the various platforms on Facebook on

2548
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2549
01:52:00,169 --> 01:51:57,360
on D live and on Odyssey as well as all

2550
01:52:02,689 --> 01:52:00,179
you audio podcast listeners thank you

2551
01:52:04,250 --> 01:52:02,699
for taking this journey with us

2552
01:52:06,169 --> 01:52:04,260
we want to thank our chat room

2553
01:52:08,689 --> 01:52:06,179
moderators we're going to thank spooky

2554
01:52:10,010 --> 01:52:08,699
for the excellent Graphics as usual and

2555
01:52:12,290 --> 01:52:10,020
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2556
01:52:14,629 --> 01:52:12,300
benefactors super Chatters PayPal

2557
01:52:17,750 --> 01:52:14,639
donators uh

2558
01:52:19,669 --> 01:52:17,760
um channel members patreon supporters we

2559
01:52:21,709 --> 01:52:19,679
love and appreciate all of you and thank

2560
01:52:23,990 --> 01:52:21,719
you for your kindness generosity and

2561
01:52:25,850 --> 01:52:24,000
support so that's all I got for you

2562
01:52:29,390 --> 01:52:25,860
friends

2563
01:52:31,609 --> 01:52:29,400
uh actually now that I think about it

2564
01:52:34,689 --> 01:52:31,619
it doesn't make sense to end with our

2565
01:52:38,390 --> 01:52:34,699
usual outro so now

2566
01:52:43,609 --> 01:52:38,400
oh it's a live show friends you know uh

2567
01:52:45,530 --> 01:52:43,619
things go uh sometimes do not quite go

2568
01:52:47,270 --> 01:52:45,540
according to plan

2569
01:52:49,669 --> 01:52:47,280
uh

2570
01:52:51,350 --> 01:52:49,679
that's something that'll work so that's

2571
01:52:54,169 --> 01:52:51,360
all we got for you friends until next

2572
01:52:57,470 --> 01:52:54,179
time my name is Stephen cambian

2573
01:53:00,169 --> 01:52:57,480
uh good night and God bless all of you

2574
01:53:03,109 --> 01:53:00,179
especially you Sean Campbell and

2575
01:53:04,910 --> 01:53:03,119
especially you Brian Benson and all of

2576
01:53:06,770 --> 01:53:04,920
your family members

2577
01:53:29,090 --> 01:53:06,780
God bless all of you

2578
01:53:29,100 --> 01:53:33,760
foreign

2579
01:53:59,750 --> 01:53:42,550
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01:54:24,220 --> 01:54:02,340
foreign

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01:54:24,730 --> 01:54:24,230
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01:54:37,450 --> 01:54:24,740
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01:54:51,700 --> 01:54:37,460
[Music]

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01:55:19,880 --> 01:54:51,710
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